[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The pitch and putt courses cost less to maintain and don't have to be maintained in as good of condition as other courses. The Villages doesn't listen to anyone, They do what they want and they do what will benefit them. As long as they can offer "FREE" Golf, they will do it as inexpensively as possible.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Dcurrie911

Let’s cut to the chase. It is a fact that the pitch and putt courses book last, thus they are the least desirable courses to play. Why? It is a fact that 190 yd tee shots are harder than 90 yd tee shots. Contrary to what others may imply. People want to play courses that offer challenges. If you are ok with pitch and putt courses. Or if you are ok with people south of 44 driving north to play then please push back on my post. Otherwise, I am simply asking if there are ways to help influence the developers to build what home owners want.

Just looked for exec to play tomorrow, had choices of 17 tee times, at course’s minutes from our house, to 40 minute drive

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Just looked for exec to play tomorrow, had choices of 17 tee times, at course’s minutes from our house, to 40 minute drive

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[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by rsimpson

Excellent Comment on points system and Pitch & Putts. In addition, I wish there was a way to 'require' new golfers to play Pitch & Putts several times before allowing play on Executives. Then a similar requirement (or HDCP) before playing Championships. I am seeing lot's of slow play and course (unrepaired) damage from new players.
On Origianl Post - More Executives are needs South of Intrerstate too. We don't need three or four Championships down here yet. (East Point area)

They are currently building at least 1-2 executives and have plans for another 2-3...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would PREFER virtual golf because then there would be zero fertilizer runoff and zero lake nutrient pollution. And there would be zero gas engine pollution from the polluting grass-cutting equipment.

And watch the houses flood during the next big storm (that you insist we will see on an ever increasing frequency...)

The golf courses serve an important function for flood control...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would PREFER virtual golf because then there would be zero fertilizer runoff and zero lake nutrient pollution. And there would be zero gas engine pollution from the polluting grass-cutting equipment.

Are you prepared for the MASSIVE amounts of indoor construction, to serve the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of golfers? What about the electricity USED and heat generated in order to cool said structures?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by DonH57

This time of year I've witnessed a lot more slow play, unrepaired ball marks, bunker rakes laying in the grass, and unfilled divots, the groups behind hitting up before the other group leaves the green. A requirement to attend the Good Golf Class prior to being able to make a tee time would help but, maybe not. Kind of like asking the entitled to drive a golf cart like they have some sense.

When you have a 50% increase in population, you'll see a 50% increase in bad behavior...

[Pyperup]

There are NO executive courses south of the 44 we pay the same amenities fee???? What are they thinking? Totally not good idea and no sign up at 44 and Morse feels very much separate from the rest of The Villages. Friends do not want to buy here because of it.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Actually....thanks I forgot to mention another problem with the larger Golf courses - that they are grass and grass does NOT compare well to TREES when it comes to removing CO2. And MANY, many TREES must get cut down to accommodate a few golfers driving polluting golf carts around when they should be walking. Bad for the planet, but golfers typically care only about themselves, so no surprise there.
..........And incidentally every year the world's forests decrease especially in the Amazon Rain (soon to be desert). If golfers really cared about their next generation, they would require that 5% of the cost of green fees were sent to an organization for preserving the Amazon and other forests. The US forests are all dry and burning as part of Global Warming, which most golfers are quick to ignore. I could say you folks are only "fore" yourselfs, but I won't.

The are not cutting down many trees to build golf courses in TV. They are building them on old cow pastures...

In fact, they are bending over backwards to PRESERVE the trees they have, since they ADD to the golf course. Not only in beauty, but in making them more challenging...

If you watch the most recent "Living the Dream" regarding the new golf courses, or if you had any clue about actually playing the game or designing a golf course, you'd know that...

To your other RANDOM points... They have nothing to do with golf... Frankly, I'm surprised you didn't add "the death of the coral reefs" to your post!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

"Land prep is underway".........that may sound wonderful to a zealous golfer, but I hear it as, " cutting down more trees and having no conscience about the environment or future generations. Forget Pitch and Putt........bigger is ALWAYS BETTER........that is the American frontier motto.......tear up the trees and environment if they get in the WAY of so-called PROGRESS.

That's because you don't LISTEN...

And every year you can read about the HOLE in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico that is CAUSED by excess fertilizer and other nutrient runoff. Also, red tide is likely caused by the same runoff. And of course, the Florida MANATEE is soon to be put on the endangered species list because of habitat loss and excess human pollution destroying the seagrass that they eat. Also, think about those CONSEQUENCES (like EXTINCTION is NOT reversible) .........think about those every time you gleefully yell FORE. Maybe the Manatees and the environment should be "fore" warned. And your descendants that will only see a MANATEE STUFFED and in a MUSEUM.[/QUOTE]

Now you sound like Henry Gibson, from "Laugh In"...

"What about the Buffalo?"

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I "walk the walk" I cut my own grass with a relatively non-polluting ELECTRIC lawn mower. And I use small amounts of natural fertilizer and water by hand only sparingly and avoid all the overwatering and maintenance hassles of those dumb pop-up sprinkler heads. And I PLANTED trees 5 years ago. Love my trees! Shade in the summer.
......And I play sports, not golf, which is just a BIG pool table with huge social and environmental costs and little return in healthful exercise. Also to play the bigger courses other than Pitch and Putt, you have to take a driver and wrack and whack your knees, hips, and back in an unnatural motion. With Pitch and Putt, you avoid that extreme golf swing.

You really don't know a thing about golf... Nor biomechanics...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There is some TRUTH to what you say. It is ALWAYS possible to make a case for something, which sometimes is a rationalization. I know for a fact that pheasant and quail eggs are thin-shelled and NOT hatching due to excessive pesticides used in the midwest farms. Now whether the golf courses have excessive pesticide use......I do NOT know for sure, but I suspect that they do. I have seen workers spray some chemical alongside the multi use paths and I watched 2 wild large black land turtles dying from it.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The "gleefully yelling FORE" was an exaggeration for EFFECT with a little HUMOROUS overtones thrown in for good measure. It IS not unusual for writers to "exaggerate for effect". Other posters have done that in other posts. Why would my humor be bad, but your humor is good? I don't see the logic?

Welcome to our world...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

I wouldn’t buy north of 44 and it’s not because of the PNP courses. You can have all of that shopping mess/crowds, golf carts sharing north Morse rd, all that traffic at each roundabout/466/441, I don’t need it or want it. When I buy from sams I have it delivered so I don’t have to go north. 466 has some nice restaurants but I take the back way to get there. It’s faster for me to go to leesburg for dinner and you get a bigger selection of restaurants with less traffic than north of 44.
I can get to both Brownwood and Sumter by golf cart (with a lot of slow cart traffic) in 30 mins so I’m not that far away

None of what you described is true for all of "north of 44..."

You're describing "north of 466"...

And I find it ironic that you would gladly travel "all the way" to LSL when it's for something you like...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Because I'm funnier than you?

Pretty low bar you got there...