[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

Calling other Americans sheep isn’t that like bullying with a key pad ? Should not be allowed on TOTV .
The Covid cases reported are understated as many people with Covid
never get tested . Officials report the numbers are in reality double.

Or, since some people are getting tested 10+ times, the "cases" may be over reported. No way to know

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

I didn’t know hospitals starting reporting and giving out personal medical information on other patients. Did they tell everybody in the ER about your condition ? I thought Hippa was still a law .

If you are referring to my post, there is a reply button that will allow a quote of my post to accompany your reply.
If you are replying to me, I did not say that anyone's condition was broadcast. I simply said that there is a segregated, partitioned area in the ER that is labeled and used for those that have or may have Covid. I also said that during the whole day that I waited, I only observed one person occupying that area. I don't believe I mentioned anything regarding "Hippa" so maybe your response was not to my post.
USMC68

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr

Haven't you heard? It's been proven that vaccinated asymptomatic people can still spread the virus

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

At a far, far reduced rate compared to symptomatic, unvaccinated people

Dr. golfing eagles, thank you for trying to provide a reality check. But those who grasp at straws will continue to dismiss reality and go on searching Facebook or wherever they get their “information” for things they can cling to in order to self-validate their refusal to vaccinate.

Meanwhile, my back-home area of Ohio has declared a state of emergency because the hospitals have so many patients very sick with Covid — almost all are unvaccinated.

I know one — a young man — who naively got caught up in that ongoing cause of his “freedom” to deny vaccination. And now he is in the hospital fighting Covid in a life or death battle. His family has been told it is likely that he will never be the same — if he survives, and his wife and kids and others who love him are collateral damage for his “cause.” (along with strangers who might need that ICU bed for a non-Covid reason)

On the other hand, I also know an 80 year-old with several co-morbidities who scared his friends and family when he was sick with Covid — for about 3 days — stayed home, felt really bad, but by the 5 day mark, he was back to his old self. He is vaccinated and boosted. (To me, that’s a case of the canary in the coal mine. That vaccinated and boosted old canary flew out fine.)

Not sure why I am continuing to bother with this. The unvaccinated will not be happy until they collapse the economy totally, I guess. And then they will deny responsibility for that, too.

Boomer

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by dougjb

We all share a social compact to care about our fellow human beings. We can either listen to the doctors and epidemiologists using science as their touchstone...or we can listen to the "experts" on TOTV who use....ummmm...their own twisted logic.

I think we can all agree that if one wished to play in traffic on I-4 during rush hour, it is your right to do so. But, does one have a right for those wishing to play on I-4 to drag others onto I-4? I think most of us would say, that is not your right to do so. So, if you are unvaccinated or unmasked, it is your right. But, you have no right to go about and infect others just like you have no right to pull others onto I-4 to play if that is what you want to do.

I think the President of France had it right. It is time to emmerder those who are unvaccinated or unmasked. That verb means to immerse in excrement.

It is time that the unvaccinated and unmasked stay home.

They made their choice. Now, be subject to the consequences.On the other hand, those who abide by the social compact to care for their fellow human beings by masking up and getting vaccinated should be allowed to play as much as they want.

This is a public health issue and those who want to belittle the numbers of Covid deaths or hospitalizations or illnesses need to be emmerder.

Good word "emmerder" - I will try to remember "emmerder"! And pretty good analogy about playing on I-4.In general, a great, intelligent post that comes at a very NEEDED time. Nice to read a well-written and smart post instead of the MOSTLY off-the-wall and confused one-liners and one or two-sentence posts that I, unfortunately, have to wade through the "emmerder" content of most posts.
......And I don't know how to BEST say this.....BUT, the post was very pointed and AGGRESSIVE, which I liked. But, I don't like the fact that someone in the US HAS to say it. But, it needs to be said and I, for one, am glad that it is now out in the open! We are in one of History's great PIVOTAL moments. The US can roll through these next few years only moderately wounded or the US can enter a period of Historic devolution toward darkness. (I will not spell that out and be specific) I just HOPE that justice and democracy prevail. The 1st outright battle was last year on Jan 6 - a day that may live in infamy. The casualties were light and hopefully, they stay light. Sorry, but that HAS to be said!

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Dr. golfing eagles, thank you for trying to provide a reality check. But those who grasp at straws will continue to dismiss reality and go on searching Facebook or wherever they get their “information” for things they can cling to in order to self-validate their refusal to vaccinate.

Meanwhile, my back-home area of Ohio has declared a state of emergency because the hospitals have so many patients very sick with Covid — almost all are unvaccinated.

I know one — a young man — who naively got caught up in that ongoing cause of his “freedom” to deny vaccination. And now he is in the hospital fighting Covid in a life or death battle. His family has been told it is likely that he will never be the same — if he survives, and his wife and kids and others who love him are collateral damage for his “cause.” (along with strangers who might need that ICU bed for a non-Covid reason)

On the other hand, I also know an 80 year-old with several co-morbidities who scared his friends and family when he was sick with Covid — for about 3 days — stayed home, felt really bad, but by the 5 day mark, he was back to his old self. He is vaccinated and boosted. (To me, that’s a case of the canary in the coal mine. That vaccinated and boosted old canary flew out fine.)

Not sure why I am continuing to bother with this. The unvaccinated will not be happy until they collapse the economy totally, I guess. And then they will deny responsibility for that, too.

Boomer

Boomer. Boomer, Boomer it’s probably fake news you might be watching.
I hope the anti-vax/unvaccinated show up to the hospital with an up to date DNR directive.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

This latest variant is our ticket out of this...as long as they don't try another booster aimed at it...that will kill off any remaining chance of herd immunity...The reason for all the media hype on this right at this moment is the EUA is up Jan. 15....which means no more emergency use...bring on the lawyers...time to file your claims against the vaccine makers.

The Omicron variant IS elbowing out the Delta. That IS a good thing. And I believe that Omicron will level off and begin decreasing. It is also possible that something worse could replace it. The medical scientists think that is unlikely. So, soon people may be toasting Omicron as a savior......with this Virus anything is possible.
......The balance of the post had me scratching my head?????

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by Byte1

If you are referring to my post, there is a reply button that will allow a quote of my post to accompany your reply.
If you are replying to me, I did not say that anyone's condition was broadcast. I simply said that there is a segregated, partitioned area in the ER that is labeled and used for those that have or may have Covid. I also said that during the whole day that I waited, I only observed one person occupying that area. I don't believe I mentioned anything regarding "Hippa" so maybe your response was not to my post.
USMC68

I wonder what the reason/delay a person would spent all day in the ER?

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by drducat

Since the pandemic is pretty much over....we now have something much worse which will be on shore soon and in time for fall.....Viral hemorrhagic fever...China has 75 million locked down right now and yet again are not giving details...This is like Ebola folks...very bad.

Well Vaccines will be out of the equation
Can viral hemorrhagic fever diseases be prevented? No vaccines are available to prevent these diseases. Two exceptions are for yellow fever and Argentine hemorrhagic fever.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

Since the pandemic is pretty much over....we now have something much worse which will be on shore soon and in time for fall.....Viral hemorrhagic fever...China has 75 million locked down right now and yet again are not giving details...This is like Ebola folks...very bad.

Maybe

Here's an internet blurb:

"The inventor of modern mRNA vaccines, Dr. Robert Malone, went on Steve Bannon’s War Room where he warned of a new disease spreading across Communist China that appears to be an “Ebola-like hemorrhagic fever” super virus.

Dr. Malone explained that “vaccinating into a pandemic will drive the development of escape mutants that are resistant to vaccination,” adding that the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) mass vaccination campaign “has mirrored that of the western world, and has resulted in a perfect storm of environment for developing a super virus.”

Do we believe this?----the combination of Malone---who has turned into a doomsday prophet, and Steve Bannon would tend to lack credibility

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

Well Vaccines will be out of the equation
Can viral hemorrhagic fever diseases be prevented? No vaccines are available to prevent these diseases. Two exceptions are for yellow fever and Argentine hemorrhagic fever.

Well, there was no vaccine for COVID----until there was.

"Necessity is the mother of invention"

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Opinions are opinions, but facts are facts and over 800,000 US citizens have died from CV. And I know that some anti-vaxxers say that ONE motorcycle person died and was listed as a CV death. My opinion IS that it is like an urban legend. Because MANY expert Doctors state that CV deaths are UNDER-reported. Some die at home and are listed as "natural" causes. And there are probably other reasons for under-reporting. Early in the CV pandemic, a Florida administrator quit her job in protest of Florida's UNDER-reporting of all CV stats. That made all the news. It can likely be Googled.....if forgotten.

That is no Urban Legend. It is factual, per the Director of Health in Illinois. And that of Maricopa County, plus many others...

There is video of them saying that.

You also ignore those who died WITH covid and not FROM covid.

And that FL Administrator? She did no such thing. Stop spreading false information you may have "heard" and cite actual facts... She was fired for insubordination...

The fact is, most states are DOWNSIZING the number of actual covid caused deaths...

How Public Health Counts COVID-19 Deaths - YouTube

"At the time of death, and you had a covid positive test, you are determined to be a covid death. Even if it was not due to covid..."

State of Illinois Definition of a CoVID-19 Death - YouTube

[drducat]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe

Here's an internet blurb:

"The inventor of modern mRNA vaccines, Dr. Robert Malone, went on Steve Bannon’s War Room where he warned of a new disease spreading across Communist China that appears to be an “Ebola-like hemorrhagic fever” super virus.

Dr. Malone explained that “vaccinating into a pandemic will drive the development of escape mutants that are resistant to vaccination,” adding that the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) mass vaccination campaign “has mirrored that of the western world, and has resulted in a perfect storm of environment for developing a super virus.”

Do we believe this?----the combination of Malone---who has turned into a doomsday prophet, and Steve Bannon would tend to lack credibility

Malone is saying it along with Epoch Times reported this also along with deaths occurring due to harsh quarantine...Locked In.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

That is no Urban Legend. It is factual, per the Director of Health in Illinois. And that of Maricopa County, plus many others...

There is video of them saying that.

You also ignore those who died WITH covid and not FROM covid.

And that FL Administrator? She did no such thing. Stop spreading false information you may have "heard" and cite actual facts... She was fired for insubordination...

The fact is, most states are DOWNSIZING the number of actual covid caused deaths...

How Public Health Counts COVID-19 Deaths - YouTube

"At the time of death, and you had a covid positive test, you are determined to be a covid death. Even if it was not due to covid..."

State of Illinois Definition of a CoVID-19 Death - YouTube

Sorry, she was NOT fired for insubordination. That was from "the other side of the story" which was a state government, which had greater control of information and in this case......misinformation. Depending on what side a given person was on - then some believed the state and some believed her. Her insubordination (which is a "catch-all", weak charge) REALLY was simply telling the truth ......and believing that her "truth will set her free". Joke.....the free state of our state. Maybe someday in the future. Or maybe it keeps getting worse. Be careful what you wish for!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Many Doctors are now saying that the Omicron surge may ALREADY be DECREASING - or that it will begin in a few weeks with 1st cases and later hospitalizations and deaths beginning to decrease.
.....As to the media.......the legitimate ones (those around before about 1970 or you could say before RUSH ) - are NOT being alarmists. They are the factual TRUTH-tellers in a sea of misinformation and outright propaganda!

What "media" would that be?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Dr. golfing eagles, thank you for trying to provide a reality check. But those who grasp at straws will continue to dismiss reality and go on searching Facebook or wherever they get their “information” for things they can cling to in order to self-validate their refusal to vaccinate.

Meanwhile, my back-home area of Ohio has declared a state of emergency because the hospitals have so many patients very sick with Covid — almost all are unvaccinated.

I know one — a young man — who naively got caught up in that ongoing cause of his “freedom” to deny vaccination. And now he is in the hospital fighting Covid in a life or death battle. His family has been told it is likely that he will never be the same — if he survives, and his wife and kids and others who love him are collateral damage for his “cause.” (along with strangers who might need that ICU bed for a non-Covid reason)

On the other hand, I also know an 80 year-old with several co-morbidities who scared his friends and family when he was sick with Covid — for about 3 days — stayed home, felt really bad, but by the 5 day mark, he was back to his old self. He is vaccinated and boosted. (To me, that’s a case of the canary in the coal mine. That vaccinated and boosted old canary flew out fine.)

Not sure why I am continuing to bother with this. The unvaccinated will not be happy until they collapse the economy totally, I guess. And then they will deny responsibility for that, too.

Boomer

Anecdotes are anecdotal...

To your last point... sure, if you say so...