[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Good word "emmerder" - I will try to remember "emmerder"! And pretty good analogy about playing on I-4.In general, a great, intelligent post that comes at a very NEEDED time. Nice to read a well-written and smart post instead of the MOSTLY off-the-wall and confused one-liners and one or two-sentence posts that I, unfortunately, have to wade through the "emmerder" content of most posts.
......And I don't know how to BEST say this.....BUT, the post was very pointed and AGGRESSIVE, which I liked. But, I don't like the fact that someone in the US HAS to say it. But, it needs to be said and I, for one, am glad that it is now out in the open! We are in one of History's great PIVOTAL moments. The US can roll through these next few years only moderately wounded or the US can enter a period of Historic devolution toward darkness. (I will not spell that out and be specific) I just HOPE that justice and democracy prevail. The 1st outright battle was last year on Jan 6 - a day that may live in infamy. The casualties were light and hopefully, they stay light. Sorry, but that HAS to be said!

You just can't help yourself, can you?

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

At a far, far reduced rate compared to symptomatic, unvaccinated people

No, not according to scientific studies. Once infected, vaccinated people seem to transmit COVID similarly to unvaccinated people. A peer-reviewed study of 162 Delta-infected index cases and their 231 household contacts—who were tracked and tested every day for up to 20 days, regardless of symptoms—found that once infected, the vaccinated were just as likely to transmit COVID to people in their own households as the unvaccinated: about a quarter of both did so. They also found that the asymptomatic infection rate among vaccinated and unvaccinated participants was similar: around 30 percent. This was published in Lancet Infectious Disease.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Dr. But those who grasp at straws will continue to dismiss reality and go on searching Facebook or wherever they get their “information” for things they can cling to in order to self-validate their refusal to vaccinate.

Meanwhile, my back-home area of Ohio has declared a state of emergency because the hospitals have so many patients very sick with Covid — almost all are unvaccinated.

I know one — a young man — who naively got caught up in that ongoing cause of his “freedom” to deny vaccination. And now he is in the hospital fighting Covid in a life or death battle. His family has been told it is likely that he will never be the same — if he survives, and his wife and kids and others who love him are collateral damage for his “cause.” (along with strangers who might need that ICU bed for a non-Covid reason)

On the other hand, I also know an 80 year-old with several co-morbidities who scared his friends and family when he was sick with Covid — for about 3 days — stayed home, felt really bad, but by the 5 day mark, he was back to his old self. He is vaccinated and boosted. (To me, that’s a case of the canary in the coal mine. That vaccinated and boosted old canary flew out fine.)

Not sure why I am continuing to bother with this. The unvaccinated will not be happy until they collapse the economy totally, I guess. And then they will deny responsibility for that, too.

Boomer

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Sorry, she was NOT fired for insubordination. That was from "the other side of the story" which was a state government, which had greater control of information and in this case......misinformation. Depending on what side a given person was on - then some believed the state and some believed her. Her insubordination (which is a "catch-all", weak charge) REALLY was simply telling the truth ......and believing that her "truth will set her free". Joke.....the free state of our state. Maybe someday in the future. Or maybe it keeps getting worse. Be careful what you wish for!

Sure and Twitter suspended her account for "telling the truth"...

Access Denied

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[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

No, not according to scientific studies. Once infected, vaccinated people seem to transmit COVID similarly to unvaccinated people. A peer-reviewed study of 162 Delta-infected index cases and their 231 household contacts—who were tracked and tested every day for up to 20 days, regardless of symptoms—found that once infected, the vaccinated were just as likely to transmit COVID to people in their own households as the unvaccinated: about a quarter of both did so. They also found that the asymptomatic infection rate among vaccinated and unvaccinated participants was similar: around 30 percent. This was published in Lancet Infectious Disease.

Apples and oranges, which is why one needs to know how to read the literature. The key words in that blurb were "once infected". Since the vaccinated are less likely to get infected, the amount of transmission will be vastly different, even if the transmission rate, once infected, is the same. The next phrase of importance was "household contacts". This represents a lot closer contact than going to the grocery store. Thirdly, the asymptomatic infection rate is not so important, since they are less likely to be spewing virus into the air. Also, it is not clear if the fully vaccinated person spread it to household contacts or if they contracted COVID elsewhere, unless the whole family was locked up for the whole 20 days.

So, was that erroneous post just a potential FYI, or was there some hidden anti-vaxxer agenda to it? "Enquiring minds want to know"

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Not sure why I am continuing to bother with this. The unvaccinated will not be happy until they collapse the economy totally, I guess. And then they will deny responsibility for that, too.

Boomer

Why is it the "unvaccinated's" fault for a collapse of our economy? After all, it is not their wish to be forced to stay home due to mandates. They are the ones that have been told that they can't work unless they get vaccinated. It seems that if you are honest about it, it is the fearful vaccinated that is forcing them to stay home.
Note: I am vaccinated and I am not anti-vaxxer. I am simply against being mandated against one's will and forced into bankruptcy because of their beliefs. I am against forcing vaccinations and I am against forcing mask wearing.
It is not the unvaccinated that are forcing a bad economy, but I can't/not allowed to say who is really responsible for a bad economy. Besides, aren't we being told that we are living in the best economy in a hundred years?

[La lamy]

I've never seen a Gazette thread get this many posts!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by La lamy

I've never seen a Gazette thread get this many posts!

As their editor sits back and muses "mission accomplished"

[Boomer]

Iwillnotengagefurther.Iwillnotengagefurther.…

Boomer

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Apples and oranges, which is why one needs to know how to read the literature. The key words in that blurb were "once infected". Since the vaccinated are less likely to get infected, the amount of transmission will be vastly different, even if the transmission rate, once infected, is the same. The next phrase of importance was "household contacts". This represents a lot closer contact than going to the grocery store. Thirdly, the asymptomatic infection rate is not so important, since they are less likely to be spewing virus into the air. Also, it is not clear if the fully vaccinated person spread it to household contacts or if they contracted COVID elsewhere, unless the whole family was locked up for the whole 20 days.

So, was that erroneous post just a potential FYI, or was there some hidden anti-vaxxer agenda to it? "Enquiring minds want to know"

The point, which you seem not to have grasped, is that someone posted "It's been proven that vaccinated asymptomatic people can still spread the virus"
and you replied "At a far, far reduced rate compared to symptomatic, unvaccinated people" and the literature says differently. Other studies have also shown that vaccinated people who have contracted the virus, shed as much virus as non-vaccinated people. It really doesn't matter if you are unvaccinated or vaccinated, the virus will be spread the same ways - people coughing, talking, close contact, etc. In other words, the rate of transmission will be the same if you have the virus and are vaccinated or unvaccinated, but the number of transmissions will be reduced because the vaccinated are less likely to have it.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

The point, which you seem not to have grasped, is that someone posted "It's been proven that vaccinated asymptomatic people can still spread the virus"
and you replied "At a far, far reduced rate compared to symptomatic, unvaccinated people" and the literature says differently. Other studies have also shown that vaccinated people who have contracted the virus, shed as much virus as non-vaccinated people. It really doesn't matter if you are unvaccinated or vaccinated, the virus will be spread the same ways - people coughing, talking, close contact, etc. In other words, the rate of transmission will be the same if you have the virus and are vaccinated or unvaccinated, but the number of transmissions will be reduced because the vaccinated are less likely to have it.

I failed to grasp it?

What I highlighted from your post is exactly what I said. And of course the method of transmission is the same.

So, "the literature" does not state differently. And again, "vaccinated people who have contracted the virus.....", not the same as all vaccinated people.

Therefore , I am at a loss to understand your reasoning. You disputed that vaccinated people spread to virus at a far lower level, then later, in the same post, agree. I'd also be interested in what sources you consider "the literature"????

[jojo]

I volunteer at the hospital and I can tell you that Tuesday, January 11, there were many COVID patients in the hospital - far more than the previous week.

[ex34449]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A negativity cake with an icing of misinformation!

More like a cake of reality and where is the misinformation in my post?
Mask up get sick, (It Happens Often)
social distance get sick, (It Happens Often, I'm proof)
mask up and social distance and still get sick. (It Happens Often)
Shoot a social experiment in your arm on top of all or part of the previous and still get sick. (It Happens Often, I'm proof)
No one knows where this thing will be in 2 days much less 2 months or 2 years. (Care to tell me where this will all be let's say March 13?)

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Why is it the "unvaccinated's" fault for a collapse of our economy? After all, it is not their wish to be forced to stay home due to mandates. They are the ones that have been told that they can't work unless they get vaccinated. It seems that if you are honest about it, it is the fearful vaccinated that is forcing them to stay home.
Note: I am vaccinated and I am not anti-vaxxer. I am simply against being mandated against one's will and forced into bankruptcy because of their beliefs. I am against forcing vaccinations and I am against forcing mask wearing.
It is not the unvaccinated that are forcing a bad economy, but I can't/not allowed to say who is really responsible for a bad economy. Besides, aren't we being told that we are living in the best economy in a hundred years?

Well, the mechanism as to why the UN-vaccinated would be responsible for the economy tanking - is that the hospitals fill up (with almost 100% UN-vaccinated) patients and there is no room for other needed operations. Without the promise of hospital care people (both vaxxed and non-vaxxed) start calling in sick for fear of REALLY getting sick or driving and having an accident. When people stay at home the economy falters. There are also other reasons for that responsibility.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jojo

I volunteer at the hospital and I can tell you that Tuesday, January 11, there were many COVID patients in the hospital - far more than the previous week.

Thanks for the clarification. I thought so because of nationwide trends. Beware ALL N's of one statistically speaking!