[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by montagnard1969

The rationale here is to keep everyone scared of the Wuhan Virius [AKA Covid 19] and of course we can't name it as the place of origin because it is RACIST. I guess like the Spanish Flu, eh?
The big Pharma companies are making MILLIONS on this scam. I ask my doctor if I should get a second booster because we're traveling to Italy this month. His response: there is nothing in the booster that wasn't in the first two shots I got. Repeating the same thing again provides no recorded benefit and therefore no rationale for getting another booster.
Big Pharma isn't going to let this opportunity to earn millions of your tax dollars in order to advance their own agenda. This has been a scam since day one.
How many people die of the seasonal flu that no one seems to be concerned about? How about those who die of alcohol, tobacco and drug abuse annually, but no one makes any headlines about that, right?
The media is also complicit in this fiasco too as sensationalized news sells, right?
I am not claiming the Wuhan Virus isn't dangerous because if effects the respiratory system in ways other flu viruses do not and is highly transmissible. But that said there are plenty of disease that are making a return that have been almost non-existent in the US for years. Now where are these diseases coming from? When everyone was so concerned about catching Wuhan Virus they were taking every precaution. Now I see people going about in public without masks and to the rest room without washing their hands. Back to the old habits, perhaps a return for a resurgence of disease spreading?
When this fiasco was going on I didn't hear of any hospital reporting anyone dying of anything but Wuhan Virus. What happened to the heart attacks, auto accidents, gun shot wounds, cancer cases, strokes, leukemia, shock from auto accidents, et al? Conveniently everything was Wuhan Virus. Doesn't this make you think something is rotten in the reporting? How gullible can people be? I guess VERY gullible and influenced by the media who OVER REPORTS everything Wuhan Virus related. Wake up people you are being scammed for the most part. The vulnerable need these shots, but the rest of us, not really. Let's see how the Pharma and media companies are going to tie the Wuhan Virus to the seasonal flu this year to keep the money flowing from government to these outfits. It is a shame people are so fearful that they will do anything, follow any story and believe the government stooge like Fauci because they know so much. Just look back to cigarettes, doesn't cause cancer according to the CEO's that testified. Dow Chemical, 24T and 245D [AKA Agent Orange] does not cause cancer, yet many died from exposure to these chemicals and those living are still suffering the effects. Believe us because we know better, yeah right! Remember this phrase; “We’re from the government, and we’re here to help you”?
As an aside, what are the long-term effects of stacking virus shots on top of virus shots on top of pharmaceutical doses on top of medical treatments? Perhaps the cure is worse than the disease you are trying to avoid/cure? When will people wake up; probably never or perhaps just before they die of all these medical miracles?

Just about everything you said is wrong. Sorry. I was going to respond to it all, but it just is no longer worth my time. (BTW Flu kills about 30K per year, it is documented. COVID killed 1,000,000 in two years and is still killing about 1,000 per day.)

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Just about everything you said is wrong. Sorry. I was going to respond to it all, but it just is no longer worth my time. (BTW Flu kills about 30K per year, it is documented. COVID killed 1,000,000 in two years and is still killing about 1,000 per day.)

No one can say for sure how many died OF the Rona, because the CDC reported that anyone who died WITH the Rona were classified as dying OF the Rona. No matter that you may have just suffered a massive heart attack. Did he have the Rona? Yes. Then the Rona killed him. Patient died while in hospice with stage four cancer, did he have the Rona? Yes. Then the Rona killed him. Do you understand how the fatality numbers are at best worthless? And why no one believes the government, or the media or the medical community any more? Personally, I think it’s a tragedy that the medical community drank the Kool-Aid so willingly. In my eyes now, they’re grouped with the media and the government.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

No one can say for sure how many died OF the Rona, because the CDC reported that anyone who died WITH the Rona were classified as dying OF the Rona. No matter that you may have just suffered a massive heart attack. Did he have the Rona? Yes. Then the Rona killed him. Patient died while in hospice with stage four cancer, did he have the Rona? Yes. Then the Rona killed him. Do you understand how the fatality numbers are at best worthless? And why no one believes the government, or the media or the medical community any more? Personally, I think it’s a tragedy that the medical community drank the Kool-Aid so willingly. In my eyes now, they’re grouped with the media and the government.

This is not entirely true either.

In some case that did happen, the over reporting, but in most it didn't. There are guidelines for diagnosing cause of death, legal guidelines. And, most doctors actually try to do their job and accurately determine cause of death. If there are comorbidity, there are guidelines how to rank them.

Of course mistakes happen, of course some people lie. But, the numbers published are the most accurate that we have, and the CDC is working very hard to make sure they are right.

In order for there to be a conspiracy there would have to have been people from all over the world working to convince people of the lies. I don't buy it, you are not getting millions of healthcare workers from all over the world to agree to lie about why people died.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

This is not entirely true either.

In some case that did happen, the over reporting, but in most it didn't. There are guidelines for diagnosing cause of death, legal guidelines. And, most doctors actually try to do their job and accurately determine cause of death. If there are comorbidity, there are guidelines how to rank them.

Of course mistakes happen, of course some people lie. But, the numbers published are the most accurate that we have, and the CDC is working very hard to make sure they are right.

In order for there to be a conspiracy there would have to have been people from all over the world working to convince people of the lies. I don't buy it, you are not getting millions of healthcare workers from all over the world to agree to lie about why people died.

We’ll, in my instance, both these cases were known personally to me, two completely different parts of the country. One a close friend, the other an immediate family member. We tried to get the cause of death corrected, no luck. We even contacted two different very reputable lawyers. Both said they would represent us, but we were very likely to spend a lot of money and still lose. So, from my experience, I will never trust another medical person, government official or the media.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

We’ll, in my instance, both these cases were known personally to me, two completely different parts of the country. One a close friend, the other an immediate family member. We tried to get the cause of death corrected, no luck. We even contacted two different very reputable lawyers. Both said they would represent us, but we were very likely to spend a lot of money and still lose. So, from my experience, I will never trust another medical person, government official or the media.

That is two out of 490 million total cases, or 2 out of 6 million deaths.

I said, I am sure it happens, but the number is small and taken into account in the "margin of error" included with the numbers from CDC. People die in traffic accidents while wearing seat belts. Doesn't mean seat belt safety is a lie. It just means sh1t happens.

And "I will never trust another medical person, government official or the media."

That means you will not go to an emergency room if you have a stroke or heart attack? If you fall and break a hip?

That seems like a little hyperbole.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

That is two out of 490 million total cases, or 2 out of 6 million deaths.

I said, I am sure it happens, but the number is small and taken into account in the "margin of error" included with the numbers from CDC. People die in traffic accidents while wearing seat belts. Doesn't mean seat belt safety is a lie. It just means sh1t happens.

And "I will never trust another medical person, government official or the media."

That means you will not go to an emergency room if you have a stroke or heart attack? If you fall and break a hip?

That seems like a little hyperbole.

Well, the Director of Health for Ohio (or was it Illinois?) actually came out and stated that anyone who dies with a positive covid test "died of covid". Even if it was an MVA or GSW...

And the CDC recently came out and said they over reported children's deaths from covid by about 24%... Due to "coding errors"... Seems to me that's a lot of "coding errors"...

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Well, the Director of Health for Ohio (or was it Illinois?) actually came out and stated that anyone who dies with a positive covid test "died of covid". Even if it was an MVA or GSW...

And the CDC recently came out and said they over reported children's deaths from covid by about 24%... Due to "coding errors"... Seems to me that's a lot of "coding errors"...

I believe I said that there is over reporting.

And the SG for Florida came out and said vaccinations and masks don't work (in effect) . There are no qualifications required for those positions other than kissing the governors butt.

And yes, that is a LOT of coding errors, but uh, they found it and admitted it. Sound like what honest people do when they make a mistake.

[Keefelane66]

After 2 years of DATA and RESEARCH conclusive proof ivermectin doesn’t work to treat Covid.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

That is two out of 490 million total cases, or 2 out of 6 million deaths.

I said, I am sure it happens, but the number is small and taken into account in the "margin of error" included with the numbers from CDC. People die in traffic accidents while wearing seat belts. Doesn't mean seat belt safety is a lie. It just means sh1t happens.

And "I will never trust another medical person, government official or the media."

That means you will not go to an emergency room if you have a stroke or heart attack? If you fall and break a hip?

That seems like a little hyperbole.

Yes, you are correct, that’s two out of everyone who died with the Rona. However it is 100% of all the people that I know who died with the Rona. And I have spoken to others who have the same story. One can keep drinking the Kool-Aid and believe the numbers if one wants to. But hospitals were monetarily incentivized to inflate Rona numbers, if one would remove the blinders they would see that things aren’t right with the reporting.

As far as getting medical care, of course I will seek it if needed. However, after the swine flu panic, avian flu panic, this Rona panic, as well as others, the media and government has blown their trust with a large portion of the population. And the medical community has caused great self harm to themselves in the Rona panic fiasco. Over reporting during the panic to prolong the panic, then admitting to over reporting later doesn’t sound very noble to me. What if I screamed through your bedroom window that your house was on fire at 2:00 am in the morning, and you broke a leg climbing out the window only to find a small grass fire that I was immediately able to stomp out. I could then say, I’m sorry, I guess I over reported that fire. Would you be all this forgiving toward me?

[camaguey48]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

After 2 years of DATA and RESEARCH conclusive proof ivermectin doesn’t work to treat Covid.

No, I don't believe you are correct, but I will just move on without fear and let you be wrong.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

One can keep drinking the Kool-Aid and believe the numbers if one wants to.

And with this we end the discussion, since you feel compelled to insult me.

My "Kool-Aid" is to trust the people that know what they are talking about and not politicians or internet gurus, or hate mongers on various news outlets.

Have a nice life, and I hope for your sake you don't become one of the statistics.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

No, I don't believe you are correct, but I will just move on without fear and let you be wrong.

Take it or leave it, I am NOT trying to convince you, just providing information - you can and will draw your own conclusions.

NPR: Ivermectin-covid-treatment-brazil-study

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I believe I said that there is over reporting.

And the SG for Florida came out and said vaccinations and masks don't work (in effect) . There are no qualifications required for those positions other than kissing the governors butt.

And yes, that is a LOT of coding errors, but uh, they found it and admitted it. Sound like what honest people do when they make a mistake.

[davem4616]

I'm quite done worrying about the number of new cases or old cases

I've moved on

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by davem4616

I'm quite done worrying about the number of new cases or old cases

I've moved on

I am happy for you, I will pass that on to the 600 families that lost a member today.