[newgirl]

Amen! Sadly, most of us were taught lies, it is time for true history to be taught!

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by gettingby

Couldn’t disagree more with you. Teachers need to follow an educational curriculum and not their social agenda. Allowing them to spew their personal beliefs to our young minds isn’t what we hire them. As for pay, we’re seeing fast food workers being lifted and even social Security has increased about 15% in the last two years. Teachers pay has not kept up. I’ve lived in Florida since 1972 and we have 3 daughters, all are teachers.

Also, my understanding is that Florida has a large number of students who are disrespectful and not committed to learning. I was fortunate to attend parochial schools in the sixties where students might or might not be smart, but we were respectful and attentive and safe. There were no bullies. Our schoolbooks were old, but that didn’t matter. We all learned what we needed to know. Our library had enough interesting books so that I could read a book a day. There were no books to which the Free State would object, but we survived somehow. Tuition was low because special education hadn’t been invented yet. Most of us came from households where education was supported instead of denigrated as unimportant. My kids went to a school like that, too. That’s how schools SHOULD be. As I understand it, a lot of Florida students make the lives of teachers very unhappy. I wouldn’t want to teach in a school like that. I think this is the best time ever to be alive, but it’s not a good time to be an elementary school or high school teacher.

[MrWilson]

Originally Posted by DAVES

Three daughters all teachers. I hope they are good teachers. Being a teacher is an awesome job. I graduated high school in 1968. My buddy is a retired school principal.
It seems that quality of education has been falling since the year I graduated. A big question is WHY? I went to a good school in a good neighborhood so since most of what people pay in real estate taxes goes to the school our schools were well funded.

The US pays more per student than any of our competing nations and in terms of results we are not in the top third. Is it not fair to wonder WHY?

I remember some of my teachers in both high school and college. Interest in the subject an interesting way of presenting the information is contagious to the students.
I did have 2-3 good teachers and far too many mediocre ones. As well as some that made it clear it is a union job and their only interest was to do as little as possible till they can retire.

Charter schools like the one in The Villages have been proven to do a far better job at less cost. My view is the students come from homes where the parents care. Simple as that.

I'm not sure I support proposed school choice. Were that to come into effect the best students would exit the public school system leaving public education with the worst students and of course charter schools could report they do better.

In terms of PAY. WOW, no such issue can be discussed properly in this format. Teachers in Florida were recently given a significant raise. Among the lowest paid is no longer so. In terms of what a teacher is paid it does not include the FACT of every holiday off as well as SUMMERS where they can work a summer job and the BENEFIT PACKAGE.

Substitute ‘ painting companies,’ for “ schools” and ‘ house painters’ for “teachers”.
Some of the comments don’t seem quite as practical or logical (to me).

[mikempp]

Originally Posted by bp243

Let teachers do their job which they’ve been trained to do. Stop the state control of what they teach and what students are allowed to discuss regarding the history of our country. Give teachers the respect and support to handle issues that have been compounded by our current society.

Education was originally designed to equalize opportunities for all children no matter your race, gender or economic background. That has changed and special needs within public schools have grown without the social and emotional support to address those needs. Salary increases would be a start, but allowing teachers to make educational decisions within their classroom and funding support for special needs of all kinds (academic or social and emotional) is just as important.

Absolutely not, we don’t need indoctrination. Your welcome to do that to your kids not someone else’s.

[LoisH]

I am sure they are trying to recover from a big wave of teachers who quit at winter break. The Sumter County public schools are very challenging and teachers are micromanaged. I returned to Tampa after only a month. HUGE difference!

[bp243]

Originally Posted by mikempp

Absolutely not, we don’t need indoctrination. Your welcome to do that to your kids not someone else’s.

I agree! Based on your response, who’s indoctrinating whom and what was said that makes you think so?

[bp243]

Originally Posted by mikempp

Absolutely not, we don’t need indoctrination. Your welcome to do that to your kids not someone else’s.

I agree! Who’s indoctrinating whom and what was said that makes you think so?

[conman5652@aol.com]

Sorry but the state superintendent and his staff set the curriculum that all state school r to teach.
The problem is our elected officials and their staff believe that the history of Florida if touched my make the kids feel bad.
We should be ashamed of what we as so called intelligent white man have done to the Native Americans, African American and Spanish American.
So know that if history is to be selected to teach I can only think what Germany did to the Jews, and all people that they didn’t like who were send to concentration camp.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by conman5652@aol.com

Sorry but the state superintendent and his staff set the curriculum that all state school r to teach.
The problem is our elected officials and their staff believe that the history of Florida if touched my make the kids feel bad.
We should be ashamed of what we as so called intelligent white man have done to the Native Americans, African American and Spanish American.
So know that if history is to be selected to teach I can only think what Germany did to the Jews, and all people that they didn’t like who were send to concentration camp.

Will the state of Florida be coming to the school and cleaning out the libraries of banned books? Big bond fire or just send them to the landfill? Far fetched…..maybe, maybe not.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by conman5652@aol.com

Sorry but the state superintendent and his staff set the curriculum that all state school r to teach.
The problem is our elected officials and their staff believe that the history of Florida if touched my make the kids feel bad.
We should be ashamed of what we as so called intelligent white man have done to the Native Americans, African American and Spanish American.
So know that if history is to be selected to teach I can only think what Germany did to the Jews, and all people that they didn’t like who were send to concentration camp.

No one is suggesting we don't teach history, warts and all...

No one is suggesting we only teach "selected history"...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Will the state of Florida be coming to the school and cleaning out the libraries of banned books? Big bond fire or just send them to the landfill? Far fetched…..maybe, maybe not.

So, you're happy with elementary schools having books with explicit instructions on sex acts that are available to all students?

Because THAT is what they are actually currently talking about being removed from schools...

Or are you talking about "Huck Finn" and "To Kill a Mockingbird", because "racism"? Because that is what already has been banned in many schools...

Oh, and guess what? They weren't banned by the same people...

[GPGuar]

Originally Posted by Djean1981

No. The educators work for parents and tax payers. They should stick to the curriculum with emphasis on reading and STEM subjects to prepare kids for college or high-tech vocational school. Reading and math abilities are IMPERATIVE to higher earnings and upward mobility later on. Rewriting history (second guessing writers that lived ages ago, and actually witnessed the events, to fit certain agendas, or applying today's values to leaders from the past and trying to "cancel" them) is not their job.

Teacher qualifications need to be raised to ensure they are highly capable and pay should go up accordingly. (Research the minimum passing score needed for Florida teacher certification tests - the percent ranges from 68 to about 72% depending on the subject.. That's a C-student grade).

Agree completely!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

So, you're happy with elementary schools having books with explicit instructions on sex acts that are available to all students?

Because THAT is what they are actually currently talking about being removed from schools...

Or are you talking about "Huck Finn" and "To Kill a Mockingbird", because "racism"? Because that is what already has been banned in many schools...

Oh, and guess what? They weren't banned by the same people...

But of the same stripe........

you're happy with elementary schools having books with explicit instructions on sex acts that are available to all students?
Really, where did you hear that?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

But of the same stripe........

you're happy with elementary schools having books with explicit instructions on sex acts that are available to all students?
Really, where did you hear that?

There's this new fangled thing, called "the news"... You might want to check it out...

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

So, you're happy with elementary schools having books with explicit instructions on sex acts that are available to all students?

Because THAT is what they are actually currently talking about being removed from schools...

Or are you talking about "Huck Finn" and "To Kill a Mockingbird", because "racism"? Because that is what already has been banned in many schools...

Oh, and guess what? They weren't banned by the same people...

Hey, Mintz,

About Huck and TKAM — those two books have been targeted for decades by groups who have no idea what they are talking about — and most of whom have not even read the books — just grabbing things out of context, lighting those book burning fires, and fanning the flames.

But those book burning fires have always been kept under control — until now. From school boards in local districts to those in positions of overall high power — ignorance is winning.

I could defend Huck and Harper Lee all day, but I don’t have time to type that much and this is not the place to go into all that anyway.

I once attended a defense of Steinbeck’s Of Mice and Men. This was in front of a school board who would have the final say. Those who wanted the book banned just keep calling it “The Cuss Book” — that was all they had. Their argument was so pathetic that I actually started feeling embarrassed for them — just a little. All they could do was point to “cuss words.” (The characters in the book are ranch hands, Ranch hands don’t go around saying, “Golly, Gee Willikers.”)

The defense was done by an English teacher who used the book in her American Lit class. She did a respectful, clear defense. The school board voted to keep the book in the curriculum.

That was in the 1980s. Now? Hah! School boards across the country are being stacked with the power-crazy, ill-informed who will not be satisfied until they eviscerate the curriculum and run every last good teacher out…..

In fact, I think that might be the goal. If there are no teachers, kids eventually will be holed up in front of screens, to be instructed by some vacant-eyed puppet person, reading from an approved script. And then “they” could say how much money they had saved the taxpayers. Yep. Just call me Cassandra.

Boomer

PS: About that elementary sex act instruction thing you said, please cite your source. Seriously. I really want to know exactly where that is coming from. As critical thinkers, we must validate sources. I am respectfully asking you to please cite your source.