[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It seems like the idea here is that the "Varsity level" section of the forum would reward the ideas expressed by a majority of the members of the forum. Then the LESS typical and more unique ideas would be expressed in the "JV" forum level. To site an example that admittedly is STRETCHED to prove a point.......imagine Christopher Columbus being in the "JV" section and screaming, NO, NO the world is NOT flat like you "Varsity level" people want it to be.
.....America would have been discovered 100 years after Columbus died and the Native Americans had grown so strong by then that they were able to resist the European invasion. They would then control the history of North America.

Yeah....just like that
Someone’s been hanging out with Kyrie Irving a little too much! Smh

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by UpNorth

Grass bunkers would be just fine. Ever try to chip out of one? Not easy. Unfortunately, The Villages seems to have trouble growing grass these days.

"The Villages seems to have trouble growing grass these days" takes us back to post #51, which goes a long way to explaining the 'WHY" behind the grass growing difficulty.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

Yeah....just like that
Someone’s been hanging out with Kyrie Irving a little too much! Smh

Interesting, not sure about what Mr. Irving's off court views are.....I know his team is still alive in the playoffs. I know that for a short guy (by NBA standards) he seems to function well under the basket when even in a crowd. I will have to Google him as to his off court persona.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

.....America would have been discovered 100 years after Columbus died and the Native Americans had grown so strong by then that they were able to resist the European invasion. They would then control the history of North America.

Probably not, as the Native Americans' first exposure to gun powder, was likely a result of Columbus' visit to the "new world".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Probably not, as the Native Americans' first exposure to gun powder, was likely a result of Columbus' visit to the "new world".

Well I can answer that with some very interesting Historical facts. The Native American warrior was NOT at a real DISADVANTAGE from being without gunpowder. A skillful plains warrior with a bow and arrow could shoot over 5 arrows quicker than an Army infantry man could reload his SINGLE-SHOT rifle military Springfield rifle. The Native American tactics were to spring out of an ambush position and ride around encircling the standing stationary infantry troops. In that scenario the Native Americans had all the advantages. The US Army officers were the only ones with rapid firing repeater pistols which were no more accurate than their oppositions bows and arrows. People think a bow and arrow is slow to operate, but NOT so in the hands of the plains Natives. The BOW reloaded way faster than the single-shot army rifle. A Native American on their well-trained horses (ponys) were hard moving targets to hit by the stationary US solders single-shot rifles. They had the tactics and they knew the area. The US Army had many disadvantages.
........The population of the Native Americans suffered because of diseases from Europe that they had NO built up immunity against.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well I can answer that with some very interesting Historical facts. The Native American warrior was NOT at a real DISADVANTAGE from being without gunpowder. A skillful plains warrior with a bow and arrow could shoot over 5 arrows quicker than an Army infantry man could reload his SINGLE-SHOT rifle military Springfield rifle. The Native American tactics were to spring out of an ambush position and ride around encircling the standing stationary infantry troops. In that scenario the Native Americans had all the advantages. The US Army officers were the only ones with rapid firing repeater pistols which were no more accurate than their oppositions bows and arrows. People think a bow and arrow is slow to operate, but NOT so in the hands of the plains Natives. The BOW reloaded way faster than the single-shot army rifle. A Native American on their well-trained horses (ponys) were hard moving targets to hit by the stationary US solders single-shot rifles. They had the tactics and they knew the area. The US Army had many disadvantages.
........The population of the Native Americans suffered because of diseases from Europe that they had NO built up immunity against.

Did the USGA hide the above information in their report!

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well I can answer that with some very interesting Historical facts. The Native American warrior was NOT at a real DISADVANTAGE from being without gunpowder. A skillful plains warrior with a bow and arrow could shoot over 5 arrows quicker than an Army infantry man could reload his SINGLE-SHOT rifle military Springfield rifle. The Native American tactics were to spring out of an ambush position and ride around encircling the standing stationary infantry troops. In that scenario the Native Americans had all the advantages. The US Army officers were the only ones with rapid firing repeater pistols which were no more accurate than their oppositions bows and arrows. People think a bow and arrow is slow to operate, but NOT so in the hands of the plains Natives. The BOW reloaded way faster than the single-shot army rifle. A Native American on their well-trained horses (ponys) were hard moving targets to hit by the stationary US solders single-shot rifles. They had the tactics and they knew the area. The US Army had many disadvantages.
........The population of the Native Americans suffered because of diseases from Europe that they had NO built up immunity against.

Maybe when the next USGA report on executive courses is released....we can end on the Louisiana Purchase!

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well I can answer that with some very interesting Historical facts. The Native American warrior was NOT at a real DISADVANTAGE from being without gunpowder. A skillful plains warrior with a bow and arrow could shoot over 5 arrows quicker than an Army infantry man could reload his SINGLE-SHOT rifle military Springfield rifle. The Native American tactics were to spring out of an ambush position and ride around encircling the standing stationary infantry troops. In that scenario the Native Americans had all the advantages. The US Army officers were the only ones with rapid firing repeater pistols which were no more accurate than their oppositions bows and arrows. People think a bow and arrow is slow to operate, but NOT so in the hands of the plains Natives. The BOW reloaded way faster than the single-shot army rifle. A Native American on their well-trained horses (ponys) were hard moving targets to hit by the stationary US solders single-shot rifles. They had the tactics and they knew the area. The US Army had many disadvantages.
........The population of the Native Americans suffered because of diseases from Europe that they had NO built up immunity against.

The thread is about issues effecting golf course conditions. Please start a new thread about Native American Warriors, if that’s what you want to discuss, so the people that are interested in the topic of this thread won’t have to waste their time.

[ThirdOfFive]

One thing I've wondered...why not turn a few of the Executive courses, particularly the ones with longer holes, into links courses? Less upkeep on those for the simple matter that a lot less ground needs to be mowed and watered. I've played a links course back in Minnesota ("Hidden Creek": my opinion is that they didn't hide the creek anywhere near well enough) and to call it challenging is a huge understatement. My guess is that there are folks here in TV who would enjoy the challenge.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

One thing I've wondered...why not turn a few of the Executive courses, particularly the ones with longer holes, into links courses? Less upkeep on those for the simple matter that a lot less ground needs to be mowed and watered. I've played a links course back in Minnesota ("Hidden Creek": my opinion is that they didn't hide the creek anywhere near well enough) and to call it challenging is a huge understatement. My guess is that there are folks here in TV who would enjoy the challenge.

Love the links!
I play a similar course up in Maine....The Links at Outlook in Berwick. Outstanding layout and I agree...a lot easier to maintain

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

One thing I've wondered...why not turn a few of the Executive courses, particularly the ones with longer holes, into links courses? Less upkeep on those for the simple matter that a lot less ground needs to be mowed and watered. I've played a links course back in Minnesota ("Hidden Creek": my opinion is that they didn't hide the creek anywhere near well enough) and to call it challenging is a huge understatement. My guess is that there are folks here in TV who would enjoy the challenge.

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

Love the links!
I play a similar course up in Maine....The Links at Outlook in Berwick. Outstanding layout and I agree...a lot easier to maintain

How do you build a "Links" golf course, without an ocean?

I've seen a few courses that have tried to replicate the playing conditions of a links course, notable Streamsong, but trust me ... they're nothing like playing Royal County Down or Ballybunion.

BTW, did anyone happen to attend the PWAC Meeting this morning at Seabreeze, that was mostly about the Executive Golf Courses?

There were about 50 people in the audience, along with a representative from each District. It was like student sit-in in Jr. High School, protesting that the new peanut butter in the lunch sandwiches, is chunky style and not smooth. Almost 2 hours of golf talk, without a substantive or knowledgable suggestion or comment ... PWAC reps included. The PWAC reps (in most cases) were woefully unprepared to discuss golf or the District's proposed budget.

At least the majority of District staff comes prepared and listens .... I'm not sure how they find the patience.


The Villages never ceases to amaze me.

[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well I can answer that with some very interesting Historical facts. The Native American warrior was NOT at a real DISADVANTAGE from being without gunpowder. A skillful plains warrior with a bow and arrow could shoot over 5 arrows quicker than an Army infantry man could reload his SINGLE-SHOT rifle military Springfield rifle. The Native American tactics were to spring out of an ambush position and ride around encircling the standing stationary infantry troops. In that scenario the Native Americans had all the advantages. The US Army officers were the only ones with rapid firing repeater pistols which were no more accurate than their oppositions bows and arrows. People think a bow and arrow is slow to operate, but NOT so in the hands of the plains Natives. The BOW reloaded way faster than the single-shot army rifle. A Native American on their well-trained horses (ponys) were hard moving targets to hit by the stationary US solders single-shot rifles. They had the tactics and they knew the area. The US Army had many disadvantages.
........The population of the Native Americans suffered because of diseases from Europe that they had NO built up immunity against.

Just read a book about the Comanche Indians, the most feared of all the plains Indians, they were able to get off 15 arrows before an infantry man could reload and shoot again. They were the best horsemen and warriors of all the American Indian tribes. Their culture was war and conquest. They stole horses and what ever else they wanted. These indians fought to the death which surprised the American soldiers. The reason was that the Comanche killed all the males and infants and most of the women and children of the tribes they attacked. Any other Indian tribe who fought the Comanche knew this and they fought to the death also if they became trapped or were running interference for their women and children as they were trying to escape. The Comanches held the upper hand until the Texas Rangers came along and they got better firearms and fought like the Indians and things evened up. After the slaughter of the buffalo herds the Indians lost hope and their best source of goods and materials. The army knew this and encouraged the complete decimation of the once magnificent buffalo herds.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

How do you build a "Links" golf course, without an ocean?

I've seen a few courses that have tried to replicate the playing conditions of a links course, notable Streamsong, but trust me ... they're nothing like playing Royal County Down or Ballybunion.

BTW, did anyone happen to attend the PWAC Meeting this morning at Seabreeze, that was mostly about the Executive Golf Courses?

There were about 50 people in the audience, along with a representative from each District. It was like student sit-in in Jr. High School, protesting that the new peanut butter in the lunch sandwiches, is chunky style and not smooth. Almost 2 hours of golf talk, without a substantive or knowledgable suggestion or comment ... PWAC reps included. The PWAC reps (in most cases) were woefully unprepared to discuss golf or the District's proposed budget.

At least the majority of District staff comes prepared and listens .... I'm not sure how they find the patience.


The Villages never ceases to amaze me.

The Links in Maine is miles from the ocean. Didn't think that was a prerequisite...especially for a 55+ retirement community?

The latter half of your post reminds me of a congressional hearing! Woefully unprepared and the staff holding up poster boards and whispering in their ears like a ventriloquist!

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

The Links in Maine is miles from the ocean. Didn't think that was a prerequisite...especially for a 55+ retirement community?

The latter half of your post reminds me of a congressional hearing! Woefully unprepared and the staff holding up poster boards and whispering in their ears like a ventriloquist!

True story. I'm in a meeting at the Pentagon, sitting across from Ted Kennedy (about closing Ft. Devens). I listened to him talk for 10 minutes and said to myself, "he's the smartest person I ever met". Unfortunately, his aide had only prepared him with cue cards for 10 minutes & 12 seconds. By 10 minutes & 30 seconds, I figured he'd need help to spell "dog".

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

True story. I'm in a meeting at the Pentagon, sitting across from Ted Kennedy (about closing Ft. Devens). I listened to him talk for 10 minutes and said to myself, "he's the smartest person I ever met". Unfortunately, his aide had only prepared him with cue cards for 10 minutes & 12 seconds. By 10 minutes & 30 seconds, I figured he'd need help to spell "dog".

So much material there... but never speak ill of the dead. Or something like that!