[nitehawk]

If Arnold Palmer course was allowed to deteriorate to the condition or other course in TV----- I am positive Arnold Palmer would pull his name from the course - He almost did that once before when first opened

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

If Arnold Palmer course was allowed to deteriorate to the condition or other course in TV----- I am positive Arnold Palmer would pull his name from the course - He almost did that once before when first opened

[waynet]

again it's all about the money. Why open these courses early? Money. Why use the same old grasses and technology? Money. Priority members are getting screwed and there really is no one to talk to about the issues. As someone said they have a captive audience.

[mickey100]

You certainly can't blame all the poor conditioned courses on high usage, although it certainly plays a part. I remember back in 2006, Orange blossom was in great condition. OB never seems to get the level of play that courses south of 466 get. Then after a few years, it too deteriorated, and i remember speaking with an Ambassador who told me that they were having problems with the company doing the maintenance on that particular course. There were many complaints to the head of golf operations, and I heard they ultimately fired the company and got someone new in there, and conditions improved again.

And that also begs the question, if the courses are overplayed to the point they can't keep them in good condition, and we know that during the high season not everyone can get a tee time, doesn't that suggest that perhaps they need more golf courses per capita?

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by mickey100

And that also begs the question, if the courses are overplayed to the point they can't keep them in good condition, and we know that during the high season not everyone can get a tee time, doesn't that suggest that perhaps they need more golf courses per capita?

LOL. I do understand that. It's just that this is a community of around 100-120K with the equivalent of sixteen 18 hole golf courses. (I considered two 27 hole courses as the equivalent of three 18 hole courses.) I can't believe there is another place of similar population with that many courses within its boundaries. And that's not even considering the executive courses. If you ask someone if sixteen courses are enough for a general population of 100-120K, they would think about half that would be fine. The difference is that we are able to play every day, if desired, whereas areas with a smaller retiree population don't have the everyday volume.

Please understand I am not trying to minimize your concerns. It just seems hard to consider this place has too few golf courses.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by mikeod

LOL. I do understand that. It's just that this is a community of around 100-120K with the equivalent of sixteen 18 hole golf courses. (I considered two 27 hole courses as the equivalent of three 18 hole courses.) I can't believe there is another place of similar population with that many courses within its boundaries. And that's not even considering the executive courses. If you ask someone if sixteen courses are enough for a general population of 100-120K, they would think about half that would be fine. The difference is that we are able to play every day, if desired, whereas areas with a smaller retiree population don't have the everyday volume.

Please understand I am not trying to minimize your concerns. It just seems hard to consider this place has too few golf courses.

Well said.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by mikeod

LOL. I do understand that. It's just that this is a community of around 100-120K with the equivalent of sixteen 18 hole golf courses. (I considered two 27 hole courses as the equivalent of three 18 hole courses.) I can't believe there is another place of similar population with that many courses within its boundaries. And that's not even considering the executive courses. If you ask someone if sixteen courses are enough for a general population of 100-120K, they would think about half that would be fine. The difference is that we are able to play every day, if desired, whereas areas with a smaller retiree population don't have the everyday volume.

Please understand I am not trying to minimize your concerns. It just seems hard to consider this place has too few golf courses.

I'm not comparing us to other places,where as you are aware , people are working so they are not available to play all day long most days. We are a unique community and one that is being marketed to golfers, so naturally we will have a high percentage of the population that plays golf. Truthfully,I don't think we need more courses, but there is no question in my mind that they need to take better care of what they have. But if one's argument is that they cannot make golf course conditions that are good most of the time because the courses get too much play, then reason dictates they don't have enough courses to accommodate the golfers . Just sayin.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by mickey100

...if one's argument is that they cannot make golf course conditions that are good most of the time because the courses get too much play, then reason dictates they don't have enough courses to accommodate the golfers . Just sayin.

I'm not trying to be facetious or anything, but with the exception of some occasional maintenance downtime, shouldn't golf courses in Florida be expected to handle full player loads every day?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

I'm not trying to be facetious or anything, but with the exception of some occasional maintenance downtime, shouldn't golf courses in Florida be expected to handle full player loads every day?

What is so special about Florida................the 90+ temperature?

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

What is so special about Florida................the 90+ temperature?

Heheh. As a Buckeye, I can tell you that Winter golf habits are slightly different in northern states vs Florida.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

I'm not trying to be facetious or anything, but with the exception of some occasional maintenance downtime, shouldn't golf courses in Florida be expected to handle full player loads every day?

Yeah, you'd think.

[waynet]

It's all about the money. Golf courses take up lots of land. Land that can make more money by building houses on it. The Morse family is all about money plain and simple,nothing wrong with that unless greed sets in.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by waynet

It's all about the money. Golf courses take up lots of land. Land that can make more money by building houses on it. The Morse family is all about money plain and simple,nothing wrong with that unless greed sets in.

If that were the case, why wouldn't they just start closing golf courses and building houses on them?

The fact is that the golf courses are a big factor in why people buy homes here. So from that perspective, they are just as important and profitable as the homes themselves.

There is absolutely no valid excuse for the atrocious greens throughout The Villages.The maintenance companies hired to do this job simply isn't doing it and should be fired.With the amount of play now(very little) these courses are getting and the amount of rain we've had over the past 6 weeks or so these courses should be pristine. First off I believe they mow the fairways way too low and the greens just are neglected. I wish there were someone us residents could go to to voice our opinions and be heard. This just doesn't seem to be the case. The powers to be just don't seem to care. Maybe we should all boycott playing Villages courses for a month so someone will start listening. SO Frustrating!!!

[mickey100]

That is one of the nice things about Palmer, in addition to their great greens, is that the grass does seem longer on the fairways than other courses around. I don't get it. If the grass were allowed to grow a little longer it might use less water, as the roots would be shaded a little. Every time I play at Cane Garden I feel like I'm hitting off hardpan.