[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Annie66

I have a neighbor that uses his wife's iD number because she plays infrequently while he accumulates 4-6 points a week. It lowers the average points with a higher probability of getting a reservation.

Here’s what should happen here- he shows up to play on his wife’s #, let him play - dont confront him.
Send his name to golf ops, look at history, and lock his account fro a week, then a month.

[NoMo50]

To the OP: You are absolutely being used as a ghost by someone. There are many reasons for doing this, but the two most prevalent are...(1) Since you golf infrequently, the scheduling person is using your Golf ID to lower the average point value for his group, and he/she will substitute you out once the request becomes a reservation. (2) The tee time system will only allow a golfer to have ONE request in the system for any given day. If someone who is managing a group tries to make a request, and one of the golfers already has a request in the system for that day, he/she will use a ghost to make the request, and substitute the ghost for the real player once a reservation is granted.

Both of the above scenarios are definitely abuse of the system. It is a clear signal of the entitled mentality possessed by those who feel they, and their friends, should be able to play as much golf as they want...and to heck with the rules. Abusing the system in these ways prevents others from being able to possibly find a tee time, especially those who may not play frequently and are simply looking for any open tee time.

When a request is made, it turns into a reservation 3 days prior to the golf date. If someone is using a ghost to hold a tee time, and then making a substitution the day before, that effectively locks up what should be an open tee time for two days. Also, when someone is using your Golf ID as a ghost, you will receive (at a minimum) 1 point for the reservation. This is harming YOU. You should definitely report this abuse to the Golf & Tennis Administration Office at 352-753-3396. They can look back at the instances where your Golf ID was used without your knowledge and take action against the offender.

[Mrs.Guy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

That could explain once at best, but this seems to be an ongoing problem for the OP

I agree, and the OP doesn't even have to explain or come up with a reason or excuse when he has posters doing it for him......

[arickis]

If i'm not mistaken, I think you need around 32 players to book one of these groups that take up all the tee times. I know for a fact that some of these groups ask friends and neighbors for their golf id numbers to fill their quota to keep their tee times. There are a lot of ghost golfers out there. People know how to work the system and do on a regular basis. It's a shame because many "real" golfers are shut out of tee times.

[Flyers999]

Originally Posted by NoMo50

To the OP: You are absolutely being used as a ghost by someone. There are many reasons for doing this, but the two most prevalent are...(1) Since you golf infrequently, the scheduling person is using your Golf ID to lower the average point value for his group, and he/she will substitute you out once the request becomes a reservation. (2) The tee time system will only allow a golfer to have ONE request in the system for any given day. If someone who is managing a group tries to make a request, and one of the golfers already has a request in the system for that day, he/she will use a ghost to make the request, and substitute the ghost for the real player once a reservation is granted.

Both of the above scenarios are definitely abuse of the system. It is a clear signal of the entitled mentality possessed by those who feel they, and their friends, should be able to play as much golf as they want...and to heck with the rules. Abusing the system in these ways prevents others from being able to possibly find a tee time, especially those who may not play frequently and are simply looking for any open tee time.

When a request is made, it turns into a reservation 3 days prior to the golf date. If someone is using a ghost to hold a tee time, and then making a substitution the day before, that effectively locks up what should be an open tee time for two days. Also, when someone is using your Golf ID as a ghost, you will receive (at a minimum) 1 point for the reservation. This is harming YOU. You should definitely report this abuse to the Golf & Tennis Administration Office at 352-753-3396. They can look back at the instances where your Golf ID was used without your knowledge and take action against the offender.

Nice rant. I agree 100%. Some want to play exec 4 or 5 times a week with a premier tee time. There's too few courses and too many golfers for that.

But I must confess, I've been guilty of this myself a few times over the years. It wasn't to get a nice tee time, it was to encourage my friend's wife to play. Long story.

Here's my solution. When someone gets cancelled they get a two-point penalty (you can correct me if I'm wrong) . This penalty goes away after seven days, I believe. Why not let the points stick until they actually show up and play? This way the points accumulate.

[Romad]

There are a couple reasons this could happen, and not always nefarious. A group organizer could have the wrong number, and have no idea if you show up or not if the group is large enough. Or, someone could be using your number to game the system. I would watch for a reservation request, look to see who made it, report it, and if a reservation gets made, cancel it. If you can cancel the entire reservation, even better.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by MidWestIA

With low play you get higher priority to get tee times so they use you

You are correct with executives, but with championship golf not so much. A resident with low play is still trumped by a resident who pays to be an enhanced member regardless of their play history.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by WingedFoot78

I think TV should create a new class of residents, THE ENTITLED. They should wear badges or special hats to let us lesser mortals know their lofty status.

If you're a member at Winged Foot, you already have lofty status in my opinion. What a great track!

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Annie66

I have a neighbor that uses his wife's iD number because she plays infrequently while he accumulates 4-6 points a week. It lowers the average points with a higher probability of getting a reservation.

Why does the Pro Shop allow that last minute substitution?

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

however, you should be able to change the foursome in your groups up to the night before

Agree with one exception. Changes to a group for Championship golf should be limited to substituting for players in the same class as defined by the t time allocation algorithm. That way 4 enhanced members ID’s can’t be used to get priority for the most desired t times and once the time is blocked off resident members and or guests can be substituted in. Better yet, they should do away with the enhanced membership t time priority feature entirely and put all villages residents on equal footing based on their play history, rather than have a pay for t time priority system.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Agree with one exception. Changes to a group for Championship golf should be limited to substituting for players in the same class as defined by the t time allocation algorithm. That way 4 enhanced members ID’s can’t be used to get priority for the most desired t times and once the time is blocked off resident members and or guests can be substituted in. Better yet, they should do away with the enhanced membership t time priority feature entirely and put all villages residents on equal footing based on their play history, rather than have a pay for t time priority system.

Paying for a tee time in prevalent in many parts of the country at semi-private and even some "public" courses. My nephew on Long Island's foursome pays $3,000/year to "own" a weekend tee time, and their playing season is much shorter then here. What was the quote from "Godfather I"? Oh, yes,---"Of course we would pay for such an accommodation, after all, we are no communists"

Also, keep in mind that the cost of an enhanced membership is repaid in about 55 rounds, so for someone who plays more than that would be ahead of the game

[Janie123]

Originally Posted by Jazzman

Seriously? 19!!!

The system allows to request up to 32 golfers in a group (8 foursomes).

[themailman22]

Keep an eye on the 'REQUESTS' made under your ID#. This is the first item on the menu after signing into Villages.net and logging in under the golf tab. Any requests will show and it will be before the tee time is assigned. Once tee times are assigned, you get points. At this time, you can call the golf office and they will be able to tell you who made the request. You can cancel yourself out of the request or have them do it for you.

When we moved to The Villages, we attended The School of Good Golf. IMO, this should be mandatory before making a tee time... but I'm not in charge so it will never happen. At minimum, the booklet http://www.golfthevillages.com/golf-...heVillages.pdf
should be in the closing documents. If you've never reviewed it, please do and also keep for future reference on how things really work.

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by Mrs.Guy

No need to wear badges or special hats...... you'll know who they are.

Amen!!!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Why does the Pro Shop allow that last minute substitution?

They will know……
Call Golf And Tennis Administration at 352-753-3396 for more information on membership enhancements or other golf/tennis issues.
For the Tee Time Office, please call 352-750-4558