[Ptmcbriz]

It takes a high tech manufacturing plant typically 5-7 years to build. CEO’s are not bringing their plants back because Trump will be gone well before that time. CEO’s prefer paying for $3 an hour labor along with many raw materials cant be found in the US. Btw, typically a high tech robotic run plant needs HIGHLY skilled educated workers, not the normal joe blow worker. Youll need IT and engineering degrees.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by MicRoDrafting

do NOT expect to see Businesses returning any time soon … primarily because these recent actions have led to the USA being viewed as Untrustworthy and Disgraceful concerning the Global Market/Economy and our previous allies …

… the World is No Longer Simply
Watching, BUT Now is Reacting !!

Untrustworthy and Disgraceful? What nonsense.
If so then why do we have our military deployed around the world at great expense to our economy? Its time we pursue policies that support the USAs interest over our so called allies.

Germany – Largest U.S. military presence in Europe; bases like Ramstein and Grafenwöhr.
Italy – Naval and Air Force bases (e.g., Aviano, Naples).
United Kingdom – Several Air Force bases, including RAF Lakenheath.
Poland – Increasing troop presence under NATO initiatives.
Romania, Bulgaria, and the Baltics (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) – Rotational deployments, NATO reassurance.
Japan – One of the largest overseas deployments; includes Okinawa and Yokota Air Base.
South Korea – Large presence (~28,000 troops) as a deterrent against North Korea.
Guam – Strategic U.S. territory with significant naval and air assets.
Philippines & Australia – Rotational deployments and training agreements.
Turkey – Incirlik Air Base, strategic for Middle East operations.
Kuwait – Major logistical and support hub.
Qatar – Al Udeid Air Base, key for CENTCOM operations.
Bahrain – Home of the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet.
United Arab Emirates (UAE) – Air Force presence and joint training.
Iraq & Syria – Troops remain for anti-ISIS operations and advisory roles.
Djibouti – Camp Lemonnier, the main U.S. base in Africa.
*****, Kenya, Somalia – Smaller, mission-specific deployments focused on counterterrorism and training.
Chart: Where U.S. Troops Are Based Around The World | Statista

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz

It takes a high tech manufacturing plant typically 5-7 years to build. CEO’s are not bringing their plants back because Trump will be gone well before that time. CEO’s prefer paying for $3 an hour labor along with many raw materials cant be found in the US. Btw, typically a high tech robotic run plant needs HIGHLY skilled educated workers, not the normal joe blow worker. Youll need IT and engineering degrees.

Not to mention companies will spring up around these factories offering supporting jobs.

[RickyLee]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Time will tell if you are right but there are parts that can be made here that were outsourced to China.

Not going to be what it was but can see some additional factories here.

Pharmaceuticals/medicine are my main concern. We need to bring them home

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz

It takes a high tech manufacturing plant typically 5-7 years to build. CEO’s are not bringing their plants back because Trump will be gone well before that time. CEO’s prefer paying for $3 an hour labor along with many raw materials cant be found in the US. Btw, typically a high tech robotic run plant needs HIGHLY skilled educated workers, not the normal joe blow worker. Youll need IT and engineering degrees.

Corporate offices and earnings can be moved overnight

[kingofbeer]

Originally Posted by ithos

Untrustworthy and Disgraceful? What nonsense.
If so then why do we have our military deployed around the world at great expense to our economy? Its time we pursue policies that support the USAs interest over our so called allies.

Germany – Largest U.S. military presence in Europe; bases like Ramstein and Grafenwöhr.
Italy – Naval and Air Force bases (e.g., Aviano, Naples).
United Kingdom – Several Air Force bases, including RAF Lakenheath.
Poland – Increasing troop presence under NATO initiatives.
Romania, Bulgaria, and the Baltics (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) – Rotational deployments, NATO reassurance.
Japan – One of the largest overseas deployments; includes Okinawa and Yokota Air Base.
South Korea – Large presence (~28,000 troops) as a deterrent against North Korea.
Guam – Strategic U.S. territory with significant naval and air assets.
Philippines & Australia – Rotational deployments and training agreements.
Turkey – Incirlik Air Base, strategic for Middle East operations.
Kuwait – Major logistical and support hub.
Qatar – Al Udeid Air Base, key for CENTCOM operations.
Bahrain – Home of the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet.
United Arab Emirates (UAE) – Air Force presence and joint training.
Iraq & Syria – Troops remain for anti-ISIS operations and advisory roles.
Djibouti – Camp Lemonnier, the main U.S. base in Africa.
*****, Kenya, Somalia – Smaller, mission-specific deployments focused on counterterrorism and training.
Chart: Where U.S. Troops Are Based Around The World | Statista

We put our troops there because it benefits US interests over the entire world.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ithos

Untrustworthy and Disgraceful? What nonsense.
If so then why do we have our military deployed around the world at great expense to our economy? Its time we pursue policies that support the USAs interest over our so called allies.

…

You seem to have missed the word “recent.”

There also appears to be a lack of appreciation/understanding for what is in the best interest of the US.

[kingofbeer]

Originally Posted by Normal

Corporate offices and earnings can be moved overnight

How do you know this to be a fact?

[RickyLee]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

Like it or not we are in a world economy and it's too late to change that fact. We prove it every day when we choose the cheapest price on Amazon. We look up a product, compare pricing, click "order" and boom, we just purchased a tee shirt from Vietnam = world economy.

Contrary to what ToTV folks are saying, every single expert that I have read about say that tariffs are bad....very bad. The only logical reason for tariffs are to gain power. Place a tariff on a country and force that country beg for relief. Unfortunately, now, we all complicit in this power grab.

AHH The power of negotiation

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

In the mean time, here is how the business imports currently works:

A small business orders $100,000 of widgets from China.
The tariffs are 50%, easy math, the company owes $100,000 to the supplier, and 50,000 to US customs.
The business has to pay prior to getting the widgets released, or pay by owed date.
If they don't pay, most likely end of business, bankrupt.

Does the business all of a sudden have enough working capital to pay the US tariff?
The predominant answer is no, so needs an additional line of credit to pay the tariff.
OK, so the business gets one. . pays the tariff, and gets the widgets.

The next question is if the small business has enough product pricing power to pass that 50% increase on to customers?
Lets say gross margin is 20%, so prior to the tariff:

Pre Tariff Math = $125,000 Sales - S100,00 Cost of Goods Sold = $20,000 Gross margin to pay fixed overhead costs
Post Tariff Math = $175,000 Sales - $150,000 Cost of Goods Sold = $20,000 Gross Margin to pay fixed overhead costs.

175,000 / 120,000 - 1 = 40%

Now the cost of product is 50% higher, so in order to get the same margin dollars to pay for US overhead expenses,
the sales price must rise 40%. .

The only way for sales to remain at 40% higher, is for all competitors to raise prices 40%,
and for the demand being inelastic, meaning that people will buy the widget regardless of price.

However, demand being inelastic is highly improbable, so
1) the consumer will continue to buy with 40% product inflation?
2) reconsider the purchase and delay / not buy any more?

That is how the Great Depression happened.

Good Luck to us!

Isn’t part of the idea of tariffs on China to convince Americans to just stop buying Chinese products because they are no longer good deals? (And likewise for other countries.) If that leads to us not buying that product from anywhere at any price, at least the money hasn’t gone overseas. So, iPhone buyers don’t buy a new iPhone because they don’t want to pay an extra thousand for it. They keep their perfectly good old phone. Similarly, Lexus drivers in The Villages may buy a new Lincoln—though the price will go up because so much of it is made elsewhere—or maybe they will buy nothing. Same for Toyotas, Hyundais, Subarus, etc. the real idea is less making money off your purchase as a tax, though if you BUY something with tariffs, that’s essentially what it is. The idea is to get patriotic Americans to stop buying products from overseas, period, whether they buy an American product instead or not. Then the trade imbalance stops. After all, people in other countries don’t really want to buy more things that we make because they can’t afford them, even without tariffs.

Think about it. If you stop buying products with levied tariffs because you aren’t willing to pay an extra 20% or 50% or 100%, you will need to stop shopping at WalMart, the Dollar Store, Home Depot, etc. These stores may be forced into bankruptcy if tariffs continue for a year. But that is how the trade imbalance is solved. The alternative is for the foreign countries to stop subsidizing their own companies and let the cost of the items rise to what they actually cost to produce and sell. Oh, but doesn’t that raise your costs when you go shopping? Yes. For a lot of things you like to buy, there are no completely American equivalents. You will either have to do without or pay higher costs for the overseas product you love, and your purchase at least, at that higher price, will put more money in our U.S. Treasury. It’s a bit like a Luxury Tax, but a Luxury Tax on WalMart Shoppers who used to buy products there because they were less expensive.

[chrisinva]

All this consternation makes me glad I'm on the other side of 70.

[bopat]

Originally Posted by MandoMan

Isn’t part of the idea of tariffs on China to convince Americans to just stop buying Chinese products because they are no longer good deals? (And likewise for other countries.) If that leads to us not buying that product from anywhere at any price, at least the money hasn’t gone overseas. So, iPhone buyers don’t buy a new iPhone because they don’t want to pay an extra thousand for it. They keep their perfectly good old phone. Similarly, Lexus drivers in The Villages may buy a new Lincoln—though the price will go up because so much of it is made elsewhere—or maybe they will buy nothing. Same for Toyotas, Hyundais, Subarus, etc. the real idea is less making money off your purchase as a tax, though if you BUY something with tariffs, that’s essentially what it is. The idea is to get patriotic Americans to stop buying products from overseas, period, whether they buy an American product instead or not. Then the trade imbalance stops. After all, people in other countries don’t really want to buy more things that we make because they can’t afford them, even without tariffs.

Think about it. If you stop buying products with levied tariffs because you aren’t willing to pay an extra 20% or 50% or 100%, you will need to stop shopping at WalMart, the Dollar Store, Home Depot, etc. These stores may be forced into bankruptcy if tariffs continue for a year. But that is how the trade imbalance is solved. The alternative is for the foreign countries to stop subsidizing their own companies and let the cost of the items rise to what they actually cost to produce and sell. Oh, but doesn’t that raise your costs when you go shopping? Yes. For a lot of things you like to buy, there are no completely American equivalents. You will either have to do without or pay higher costs for the overseas product you love, and your purchase at least, at that higher price, will put more money in our U.S. Treasury. It’s a bit like a Luxury Tax, but a Luxury Tax on WalMart Shoppers who used to buy products there because they were less expensive.

I remember back in the 1990s when Walmart had a lot of USA made products.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Does the fact that about 70 plus nations have approached us about coming up with a better deal matter?

Yet to be a list of countries……….

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by kingofbeer

We put our troops there because it benefits US interests over the entire world.

And what is that interest? That's right.. a world free from communism. Guess we aren't so crazy after all.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz

It takes a high tech manufacturing plant typically 5-7 years to build. CEO’s are not bringing their plants back because Trump will be gone well before that time. CEO’s prefer paying for $3 an hour labor along with many raw materials cant be found in the US. Btw, typically a high tech robotic run plant needs HIGHLY skilled educated workers, not the normal joe blow worker. Youll need IT and engineering degrees.

So you're telling us every worker in a high tech manufacturing plant has an IT and Engineering degree?

It's most likely all those educational skills were gleaned from American colleges where we blindly educate students from all different countries and send our brilliance back to their homes.