[cappyjon431]

Originally Posted by Happinow

The real issue here is that our neighbors sole purpose for putting this hedge fence is to create a "doggy park" for his dogs. Those are his exact words. The sole purpose of this hedge fence is to keep his dogs on his property WITHOUT a leash. The hedges are not landscaping purposes. They are to create a dog park/fence in his yard. The second issue is that this doggy park/hedge fence will block our view. The Covenants &Restrictions clearly states, and I quote "pets must be controlled on a leash when not in the confines of the home." It also states "No fence, barrier, wall or structure of any kind or nature shall be placed on the property. No side or rear hedges exceeding (4) feet in height shall be permitted.". So, if I understand this correctly, he may put in hedges in, but not so that they create a barrier or wall structure. I overheard him say it would be about 200 shrubs he would be planting. Sounds like a barrier or fence to me. I'm not so sure this topic has gotten out of hand. People are putting in their 2 cents and isn't that what this forum is for?? Everyone has an opinion. It's ok to express your opinion. I never said we were goi g to sue, in fact I said that wasn't for us....we are not that kind of people. Lastly, as for getting along with our neighbors...we are very social with EVERYONE except for this newest one. He has chosen the wrong path....not us. The new neighbor has had an attitude from the start, putting himself in the position of not being welcome by others.
Ike I said before, the neighbors beside him are upset by his doggy park escapades as well. I appreciate everyone's input. We are continuing to follow up on this and will work with the Village District To make sure everyone follows the rules.

Happinow, I understand your concern and I certainly hope that if he is in violation of TV codes that the powers that be stop him from planting his hedge/landscaping.

That being said, I honestly believe that his motivation for putting in the landscaping (to keep his dog/dogs contained) is irrelevent. If he had said "I'm putting it in because I like the design" or "I'm putting it in for privacy" or "I'm putting it in because I like to sunbathe nude and I don't want to offend the neighbors" it would still lead to the same result--he will be obscuring a view that you valued.

In post #35 you wrote, "Honestly it's not the dogs we are concerned with at this point, it's the fact that he is recklessly putting up landscaping without any concern for his neighbors view." But in your last post you wrote "The real issue here is that our neighbors sole purpose for putting this hedge fence is to create a "doggy park" for his dogs. Those are his exact words. The sole purpose of this hedge fence is to keep his dogs on his property WITHOUT a leash." These two statements appear somewhat inconsistant and i think it would be better for all involved if you focused on whether or not he is breaking the rules, not his motivation for putting in his landscaping.

The dog issue is a red herring. Dogs can roam in the backyard offleash if there is an invisible fence. To be honest, I let my dog roam free in the backyard offleash to do his business (under my supervision of course) so that he does not go on my neighbors lawns when I walk him on the leash. None of my neighbors have complained about him being offleash--I don't think it is an issue unless a neighbor complains and so far, I haven't had any complaints.

To me the issue is very black and white. If he is violating TV rules with his landscaping, he should not be permitted to install the landscaping. If he is within his rights (according to the rules), he should be allowed to do what he wants on his own property.

When we try to get inside people's heads and determine their motivations for their actions we open up a can of worms that can cause all sorts of problems.

Good luck with your situation and I hope that everything turns out OK for you.

[Happinow]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Wouldn't an invisible fence serve the same purpose at a much lower cost - both financially and emotionally? Had a Great Dane that crossed the fence once - company came back and tuned it up and he never made that mistake again. Yes momentarily it's
probably not the most pleasant experience, but it paid off with years of being able to roam the yard, chase the geese, and pretty much have an awesome and free experience.
I believe it is a one in a million chance the dog won't get it. They can play as free as they were meant to be, the owner has his own dog park and the neighbors are happy. Has anyone considered this option????

We did mention this option to him and he said when he lived in NY, he had one of those and they didn't work. The dogs went through them. Would have been a great option for him as our neighbors to the left of us have one for their little dog and he is never a problem.

[jimbo2012]

If it didn't work for him it was improper training, they do work.

But there's no way a hedge or bush is stopping a dog that's for sure.

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

Can't we all just get along?

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[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Wouldn't an invisible fence serve the same purpose at a much lower cost - both financially and emotionally? Has anyone considered this option????

I have posted numerous times about the invisible fencing we had installed by Dog Watch in Ocala. We have two dogs, one 10 lbs, and one 70 lbs, and it contains them both beautifully. It won't work unless the owner does some preliminary boundary training before the fence is activated. Dog Watch is great with assisting with the training! It was a pleasure to deal with them.

I hope that Happinow's neighbor considers invisible fencing, which is a Villages approved option.

[jane032657]

Having lived with water views, magnificent water views, in British Columbia for many years, my heart melts when views are blocked because I know how Douglas Firs will get you almost every time in the Pacific Northwest! The real issue in this thread is communication and negotiation when you live in clustered settings. Nothing can be resolved unless both parties are willing to at least discuss the issue and hear each others side. You may never agree, but you will have the chance to exchange opion and try to come to commanality. We all need to compromise when living in close proximity. It is not just about what you spend on your lot, it is about how you feel when you walk out your front door every day, and how you look forward to seeing those around you, and how you value community and your place in it.

[gustavo]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Unless you buy a large pie-shaped lot, I don't see how anyone could be guaranteed a totally unobstructed view.

Even a large, pie shaped lot does not insure a 180 view as each house has to be x feet from the street, in line with the neighbors, and you never know how far the neighbor's pool and landscaping will reach.

My wife's been telling me about this thread for the last few days, so we decided to see what the real story was. Took a ride down to Springdale.

Happinow has a pie shaped lot on a cul de sac. Unfortunately for her, the best, unobstructed view does not align with the placement of the house. The view looking straight out the lanai/pool crosses not one but two adjacent lots. She needs to look out the Lanai to the right to see an unobstructed view, which as she said is limited because the lot is lower than the course, especially in that direction. Saw the orange line on the other property, and yes she is going to loose the best view. Even saw the guy with his two dogs walking them on the street chatting with some neighbors.

As I see it, Happi is going to have a tough time convincing this fellow to be a "good"(for her) neighbor because he isn't even the closest neighbor that could obstruct the view, and he lives in the next cul de sac. Not like they will be bumping into each other every day picking up the morning paper.

Happi paid a lot of money for the lot and the house and it's a shame that she thought she was getting a great view.

I also live on a golf course. I paid $16,000 more than Happi did for her lot but got a much better view (championship course green, big oaks, eastern exposure, no cart path and large water hazard). We walked our street for weeks, if not months, knowing the lots would be released soon, trying to determine which lot was "the best". Every night my wife would drag me down there to walk each prospective lot to see which view was unobstructed. Which lot would accommodate the model we chose. Which lot would fit a golf cart garage. Which lot would have room for a pool. Also used the Sumter county plats, which were available even before the lots were released, if you knew where to go to get them, to determine dimensions, easements, drainage and utility box placements. The day the lots were released, we got our first choice of five potential lots. My point is, sometimes you luck into a great view but due diligence insures it.

I hope Happi can realize that this guy is entitled to do what he intends, as I see it. She is on the next block over, even though their properties touch, with another property in between. He also paid a lot of money for his lot and view as well. If for some reason he were forced to remove a "hedge", a plethora of non hedge sugar palms would not be any better for the view from Happi's lanai.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by gustavo

Even a large, pie shaped lot does not insure a 180 view as each house has to be x feet from the street, in line with the neighbors, and you never know how far the neighbor's pool and landscaping will reach.

My wife's been telling me about this thread for the last few days, so we decided to see what the real story was. Took a ride down to Springdale.

Happinow has a pie shaped lot on a cul de sac. Unfortunately for her, the best, unobstructed view does not align with the placement of the house. The view looking straight out the lanai/pool crosses not one but two adjacent lots. She needs to look out the Lanai to the right to see an unobstructed view, which as she said is limited because the lot is lower than the course, especially in that direction. Saw the orange line on the other property, and yes she is going to loose the best view. Even saw the guy with his two dogs walking them on the street chatting with some neighbors.

As I see it, Happi is going to have a tough time convincing this fellow to be a "good"(for her) neighbor because he isn't even the closest neighbor that could obstruct the view, and he lives in the next cul de sac. Not like they will be bumping into each other every day picking up the morning paper.

Happi paid a lot of money for the lot and the house and it's a shame that she thought she was getting a great view.

I also live on a golf course. I paid $16,000 more than Happi did for her lot but got a much better view (championship course green, big oaks, eastern exposure, no cart path and large water hazard). We walked our street for weeks, if not months, knowing the lots would be released soon, trying to determine which lot was "the best". Every night my wife would drag me down there to walk each prospective lot to see which view was unobstructed. Which lot would accommodate the model we chose. Which lot would fit a golf cart garage. Which lot would have room for a pool. Also used the Sumter county plats, which were available even before the lots were released, if you knew where to go to get them, to determine dimensions, easements, drainage and utility box placements. The day the lots were released, we got our first choice of five potential lots. My point is, sometimes you luck into a great view but due diligence insures it.

I hope Happi can realize that this guy is entitled to do what he intends, as I see it. She is on the next block over, even though their properties touch, with another property in between. He also paid a lot of money for his lot and view as well. If for some reason he were forced to remove a "hedge", a plethora of non hedge sugar palms would not be any better for the view from Happi's lanai.

It's very interesting to hear an unbiased report of the situation. Thanks for taking the time to update us.

[shcisamax]

Well said Gustavo. This lot business can be so very tricky and you really have to be on top of the far reaching possibilities when picking your "dream". On an undeveloped landscape, most of us, regardless of how much checking it out we do, don't see the possible after buildout pitfalls. Happinow's lot view is a perfect example. Of course it is a disappointment. But one simply cannot expect a neighbor, no matter how rude or inconsiderate or disliked (an entirely different matter but one that exacerbates the problem) to support someone else's "dream" at their own expense.

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=gustavo;522041]My wife's been telling me about this thread for the last few days, so we decided to see what the real story was. Took a ride down to Springdale.

It that Springdale street or Springdale Village??

[graciegirl]

[quote=Bogie Shooter;522086]

Originally Posted by gustavo

My wife's been telling me about this thread for the last few days, so we decided to see what the real story was. Took a ride down to Springdale.

It that Springdale street or Springdale Village??

I think he meant Sanibel

[Bogie Shooter]

[quote=graciegirl;522091]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I think he meant Sanibel

It would have been a long trip via Springdale.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by gustavo

Even a large, pie shaped lot does not insure a 180 view as each house has to be x feet from the street, in line with the neighbors, and you never know how far the neighbor's pool and landscaping will reach.

My wife's been telling me about this thread for the last few days, so we decided to see what the real story was. Took a ride down to Springdale.

Happinow has a pie shaped lot on a cul de sac. Unfortunately for her, the best, unobstructed view does not align with the placement of the house. The view looking straight out the lanai/pool crosses not one but two adjacent lots. She needs to look out the Lanai to the right to see an unobstructed view, which as she said is limited because the lot is lower than the course, especially in that direction. Saw the orange line on the other property, and yes she is going to loose the best view. Even saw the guy with his two dogs walking them on the street chatting with some neighbors.

As I see it, Happi is going to have a tough time convincing this fellow to be a "good"(for her) neighbor because he isn't even the closest neighbor that could obstruct the view, and he lives in the next cul de sac. Not like they will be bumping into each other every day picking up the morning paper.

Happi paid a lot of money for the lot and the house and it's a shame that she thought she was getting a great view.

I also live on a golf course. I paid $16,000 more than Happi did for her lot but got a much better view (championship course green, big oaks, eastern exposure, no cart path and large water hazard). We walked our street for weeks, if not months, knowing the lots would be released soon, trying to determine which lot was "the best". Every night my wife would drag me down there to walk each prospective lot to see which view was unobstructed. Which lot would accommodate the model we chose. Which lot would fit a golf cart garage. Which lot would have room for a pool. Also used the Sumter county plats, which were available even before the lots were released, if you knew where to go to get them, to determine dimensions, easements, drainage and utility box placements. The day the lots were released, we got our first choice of five potential lots. My point is, sometimes you luck into a great view but due diligence insures it.

I hope Happi can realize that this guy is entitled to do what he intends, as I see it. She is on the next block over, even though their properties touch, with another property in between. He also paid a lot of money for his lot and view as well. If for some reason he were forced to remove a "hedge", a plethora of non hedge sugar palms would not be any better for the view from Happi's lanai.

I think you meant Sanibel, not Springdale.

Your post is another argument to rent for awhile to see just what lot you want, as view lots will be sold in hours when released. Even if you do your due diligence and think you have an unobstructed view, you may end up wrong and disappointed. That is the reason to take some deep breaths and wait to see. Most times the planting won't be as bad as you think. It is hard to tell by orange lines just what will be the final outcome. As I said before, least said, soonest mended. But that is a perspective from a 72 year old, which differs from a 52 year old a little.

If in the end, if nothing has changed, or nothing could be changed, and the homeowner on the culdesac behind was within his rights, it would have been better to wait and see and keep the peace.

[birdawg]

Sad to see someone use this forum to bash unsuspecting neighbors, because they dont like what someone is doing with their property. Can we all imagine how you would feel if someone talked about you on this public forum the way this guy has been.

[paulandjean]

Originally Posted by birdawg

Sad to see someone use this forum to bash unsuspecting neighbors, because they dont like what someone is doing with their property. Can we all imagine how you would feel if someone talked about you on this public forum the way this guy has been.

Here-Here. Yes there is a lot of that on this site.I have been told all my life what a caring person I am,and yet sometimes people on this site will bash you for your thoughts.Like the red Corvette line, Must not like General Motors.