[mikemalloy]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I thought I was clear that my lesson was ONLY because of your referring to immigration as the problem with heath care.

If blaming these folks makes you feel good, go for it.

But, if you want to discuss healthcare, you are on a wrong street.

Talk to those who are elected as to why, despite loud protestation, they ignore the problem of healthcare.

This does not mean I favor one form or another....it simply means when our leaders begin to discuss it, we are moving in the right direction on healthcare.

Blaming minorities for everything is just stupid, as we keep jailing those who do not fit the assigned slot

My original post did not BLAME anyone. It pointed out that our country faces different economic stresses from immigration that other countries do. Canada has a form of universal coverage but they do not provide coverage for people who are in the country illegally. I'm sure that is the same in many if not all of the other countries who have "free" healthcare. Instead of recognizing there might be differences, you immediately accused me of blaming illegals for problems. The fact is we're not like the other countries. Our economy is much more robust for starters. Maybe that's because we don't overburden our taxpayers with universal healthcare.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by mikemalloy

My original post did not BLAME anyone. It pointed out that our country faces different economic stresses from immigration that other countries do. Canada has a form of universal coverage but they do not provide coverage for people who are in the country illegally. I'm sure that is the same in many if not all of the other countries who have "free" healthcare. Instead of recognizing there might be differences, you immediately accused me of blaming illegals for problems. The fact is we're not like the other countries. Our economy is much more robust for starters. Maybe that's because we don't overburden our taxpayers with universal healthcare.

I m dumb on this. Can you provide more details on healthcare coverage for illegal immigrants in the US ?

I accuse you of nothing, but not that smart......I apparently misunderstood.

I was not aware of the healthcare coverage for illegals, and trust you will provide me with some reading material.

Thanks

[billethkid]

Many countries and their peoples like many of us here do not support providing a health care system for those who are in the country illegally....taking up residence illegally.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Many countries and their peoples like many of us here do not support providing a health care system for those who are in the country illegally....taking up residence illegally.

I do not recall anyone on this forum ever supporting what you suggest.

Poster said we already have healthcare for illegal immigrants and I simply asked for more details because I was not aware that illegal immigrants could get healthcare.

Of course, all the savings from ACA would be under stress but that savings seems to be going away anyway.

You misread my post...not supporting, simply wondering where someone felt it existed

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Sorry, the info is current, and yes it is now been watered down, but my point is tat it worked....why scrap it without trying to adjust, and leave so many in the dark.

The ACA was attacked by Republicans, even though it was once proposed by a conservative think tank.

Marco Rubio was instrumental in helping to undermind it. Just the facts, as I've seen them. No political agenda here, as I don't believe in political parties. Call me a George Washington patriot.

Marco Rubio Quietly Undermines Affordable Care Act - The New York Times

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I do not recall anyone on this forum ever supporting what you suggest.

Poster said we already have healthcare for illegal immigrants and I simply asked for more details because I was not aware that illegal immigrants could get healthcare

You misread my post...not supporting, simply wondering where someone felt it existed

Just one example;

• Illegal aliens can obtain welfare benefits such as Medicaid and food stamps on behalf of their U.S.-born children. Many of the welfare costs associated with illegal immigration, therefore, are due to the Executive Branch’s current (2015) interpretation of the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause. Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children | Center for Immigration Studies

Birthright Citizenship Fact Sheet | NumbersUSA

Now that one link, immigrant welfare use, keeps stating "immigrants" and leave out the "illegal"'

Steve

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

Just one example;

• Illegal aliens can obtain welfare benefits such as Medicaid and food stamps on behalf of their U.S.-born children. Many of the welfare costs associated with illegal immigration, therefore, are due to the Executive Branch’s current (2015) interpretation of the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause. Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children | Center for Immigration Studies

Birthright Citizenship Fact Sheet | NumbersUSA

Now that one link, immigrant welfare use, keeps stating "immigrants" and leave out the "illegal"'

Steve

Medicaid money is used to fund free clinics and other public health services. I think illegals are technically not supposed to use these services, but I don't think they are screened out. Also, I believe Federal and State money is used to treat illegals in hospital emergency rooms.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I m dumb on this. Can you provide more details on healthcare coverage for illegal immigrants in the US ?

I accuse you of nothing, but not that smart......I apparently misunderstood.

I was not aware of the healthcare coverage for illegals, and trust you will provide me with some reading material.

Thanks

It’s not difficult to find info regarding illegal health care coverage particularly if one is accustomed to performing online researches. Forbes has an excellent synopsis as to how American citizens in 2017 alone financed healthcare for illegals, $18.5 billion. One can only imagine what those costs are now.

Speak to professionals covering ER’s/trauma centers about healthcare for non-citizens. They can’t provide details but the eye rolls are all telling and they will tell you those patients are not paying. The current media wouldn’t miss a chance to tell you instantly if a runny nose or a booboo wasn’t treated. They appear to have better medical care available than most.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

Just one example;

• Illegal aliens can obtain welfare benefits such as Medicaid and food stamps on behalf of their U.S.-born children. Many of the welfare costs associated with illegal immigration, therefore, are due to the Executive Branch’s current (2015) interpretation of the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause. Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children | Center for Immigration Studies

Birthright Citizenship Fact Sheet | NumbersUSA

Now that one link, immigrant welfare use, keeps stating "immigrants" and leave out the "illegal"'

Steve

"on behalf of their U.S.-born children."

Most posters overlook this and take the generalized way.

Legally these children are US citizens !

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aces4

It’s not difficult to find info regarding illegal health care coverage particularly if one is accustomed to performing online researches. Forbes has an excellent synopsis as to how American citizens in 2017 alone financed healthcare for illegals, $18.5 billion. One can only imagine what those costs are now.

Speak to professionals covering ER’s/trauma centers about healthcare for non-citizens. They can’t provide details but the eye rolls are all telling and they will tell you those patients are not paying. The current media wouldn’t miss a chance to tell you instantly if a runny nose or a booboo wasn’t treated. They appear to have better medical care available than most.

BUT still no illegal immigrants are purchasing health insurance for themselves.

Chris Conover makes some good points, none of which is new and all should be discussed and validated....not that he lied buy he took some liberties with some stats for sure.

For those who are interested in reading...here is the link and it is from early 2018.

How American Citizens Finance $18.5 Billion In Health Care For Unauthorized Immigrants

Now, lets be clear. I am not, nor never was advocating anything. There is so much junk information and actual lies being circulated because nobody talks to each other.

You posted this line to which I responded...."Canada has a form of universal coverage but they do not provide coverage for people who are in the country illegally. I'm sure that is the same in many if not all of the other countries who have "free" healthcare."


You "implication" and statement is not true at all as related to our country. This is what my objection is.....people simply say stuff with no regard to as if it were true.

[retiredguy123]

The problem is that nobody knows how many or who are not legally in the country. And, in most situations, you can't even ask for proof of legality. So, how can anyone claim to know how much or how little money is spent on illegals for health care or for anything else?

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The problem is that nobody knows how many or who are not legally in the country. And, in most situations, you can't even ask for proof of legality. So, how can anyone claim to know how much or how little money is spent on illegals for health care or for anything else?

I surely cannot speak to details, but from the little I do see, it appears that ICE is pretty aggressive in pursuing.

But directly to your point, what you say is true and has been for many years....it is not recent, and all the actions we are taking is making it worse than ever.

I keep beating what I suppose is a dead horse, but NOTHING.....not one single thing will be done as lot as we "proclaim" things and we are not trusted, and both seem to be getting worse. We listen to lobbyists more now than we did before draining the swamp. The divide is far wider than ever which means it will take longer to decrease and be more difficult.

From the GW Bush Presidential Center....

"AMERICA IS STRENGTHENED BY THE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY IMMIGRANTS. FOR THE U.S. ECONOMY TO FLOURISH TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL, OUTDATED IMMIGRATION POLICY MUST BE MODERNIZED."

A Nation Built by Immigrants | Bush Center

Does any of the current actions seem like we are modernizing anything or taking a gigantic step backward.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I surely cannot speak to details, but from the little I do see, it appears that ICE is pretty aggressive in pursuing.

But directly to your point, what you say is true and has been for many years....it is not recent, and all the actions we are taking is making it worse than ever.

I keep beating what I suppose is a dead horse, but NOTHING.....not one single thing will be done as lot as we "proclaim" things and we are not trusted, and both seem to be getting worse. We listen to lobbyists more now than we did before draining the swamp. The divide is far wider than ever which means it will take longer to decrease and be more difficult.

From the GW Bush Presidential Center....

"AMERICA IS STRENGTHENED BY THE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY IMMIGRANTS. FOR THE U.S. ECONOMY TO FLOURISH TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL, OUTDATED IMMIGRATION POLICY MUST BE MODERNIZED."

A Nation Built by Immigrants | Bush Center

Does any of the current actions seem like we are modernizing anything or taking a gigantic step backward.

Exactly! God bless the immigrants who come to this country per the USA guidelines and laws. Who has a problem with them? We need and welcome them to become American citizens.

The elephant in the room is the mass illegal entry of citizens of foreign countries, Mexico primarily, sneaking into the USA and overwhelming the resources of this country. The laws concerned birthright citizenship are also way over due for change.

Is Washington DC at all aware of the frustration that the general population has from their refusal to address this issue? Fix immigration! Thus, more money to fix health care for the American people.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by jebartle

Australia, Germany, France, Canada, UK, Russia to name a few. Will it ever happen in US?

I'm pretty sure North Korea and Venezuela also offer free health care for all.

[Number 10 GI]

Those 32 countries that have so-called universal health care only represent 16% of all the countries in the world.