[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Exactly! God bless the immigrants who come to this country per the USA guidelines and laws. Who has a problem with them? We need and welcome them to become American citizens.

The elephant in the room is the mass illegal entry of citizens of foreign countries, Mexico primarily, sneaking into the USA and overwhelming the resources of this country. The laws concerned birthright citizenship are also way over due for change.

Is Washington DC at all aware of the frustration that the general population has from their refusal to address this issue? Fix immigration! Thus, more money to fix health care for the American people.

If they gain legal entry and come for the opportunities we have for them to obtain gainful employment, pay taxes and otherwise contribute I say WELCOME immigrants.

If they illegally enter to commit crimes, leach off our welfare or otherwise hurt us and our economy, deport them.

[mikemalloy]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I m dumb on this. Can you provide more details on healthcare coverage for illegal immigrants in the US ?

I accuse you of nothing, but not that smart......I apparently misunderstood.

I was not aware of the healthcare coverage for illegals, and trust you will provide me with some reading material.

Thanks

This is from an earlier post of mine. You'd be amazed at the things you can find to educate yourself when you use google.


The staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.



All told, the nearly $135 billion paid out by federal and state and local taxpayers to cover the cost of the presence of 12.5 million illegal aliens and their 4.2 million citizen children amounts to approximately $8,075 per illegal alien and citizen child prior to taxes paid, or $6,940 per person after taxes are paid.



On the federal level, medical ($17.14 billion) is by far the highest cost, with law enforcement coming second ($13.15 billion) and general government services ($8 billion) thir

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by mikemalloy

This is from an earlier post of mine. You'd be amazed at the things you can find to educate yourself when you use google.


The staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.



All told, the nearly $135 billion paid out by federal and state and local taxpayers to cover the cost of the presence of 12.5 million illegal aliens and their 4.2 million citizen children amounts to approximately $8,075 per illegal alien and citizen child prior to taxes paid, or $6,940 per person after taxes are paid.



On the federal level, medical ($17.14 billion) is by far the highest cost, with law enforcement coming second ($13.15 billion) and general government services ($8 billion) thir

Lets be clear and end this thing.

You insist I am stupid and cannot use google. May I suggest you do some research and you will discover....

There is NO health coverage for illegal immigrants as you insist upon alluding to....NONE.

The American citizen children of those folks can get healthcare.

There are surely associated costs in treating them in emergency wards, etc...same as American citizens with no health insurance.

You continue to perpetuate the false narrative, the parallel universe that says illegal immigrants are covered.

Its not true.....their children born here as American Citizens....yep but not them.

Trust me.....I can use google and this entire thread seems to have become one of those maddening conveyors of false and not true information..

You are looking for a fight instead of having a discussion on a very important issue, and you cannot fight while discussing....it is impossible.

Have a nice day

"In 2010, President Barack Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) into law. To match public opinion and boost popularity for the legislation, the ACA contains language that explicitly excludes undocumented immigrants from being able to purchase health insurance coverage.[11][1]"

Healthcare availability for undocumented immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia.

"Most people in the following groups are eligible for coverage through the Health Insurance Marketplace:

U.S. citizens
U.S. nationals
Lawfully present immigrants

Health coverage for immigrants who are U.S. citizens or U.S. nationals | HealthCare.gov

PLEASE DO NOT GIVE ME THE "YEAH BUT" argument.....I misunderstood this as a discussion healthcare costs and how it might relate to government run insurance, but as always a group goes to the immigrants to make a point, irrelevant as to whether that was being discussed

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Lets be clear and end this thing.

You insist I am stupid and cannot use google. May I suggest you do some research and you will discover....

There is NO health coverage for illegal immigrants as you insist upon alluding to....NONE.

The American citizen children of those folks can get healthcare.

There are surely associated costs in treating them in emergency wards, etc...same as American citizens with no health insurance.

You continue to perpetuate the false narrative, the parallel universe that says illegal immigrants are covered.

Its not true.....their children born here as American Citizens....yep but not them.

Trust me.....I can use google and this entire thread seems to have become one of those maddening conveyors of false and not true information..

You are looking for a fight instead of having a discussion on a very important issue, and you cannot fight while discussing....it is impossible.

Have a nice day

"In 2010, President Barack Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) into law. To match public opinion and boost popularity for the legislation, the ACA contains language that explicitly excludes undocumented immigrants from being able to purchase health insurance coverage.[11][1]"

Healthcare availability for undocumented immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia.

"Most people in the following groups are eligible for coverage through the Health Insurance Marketplace:

U.S. citizens
U.S. nationals
Lawfully present immigrants

Health coverage for immigrants who are U.S. citizens or U.S. nationals | HealthCare.gov

PLEASE DO NOT GIVE ME THE "YEAH BUT" argument.....I misunderstood this as a discussion healthcare costs and how it might relate to government run insurance, but as always a group goes to the immigrants to make a point, irrelevant as to whether that was being discussed

They don’t need insurance, their medical care is free.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aces4

They don’t need insurance, their medical care is free.

do not think so.

I mentioned a number of times the cost of emergency services BUT NOT healthcare which is the subject of this thread.

They along with any American with no health coverage is assured by Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act .

I simply object to the false narrative that illegal immigrants can purchase health care....they can not. They also do not get free health care, as those American born who have been dropped from the roles recently do not also get free medical care. Obvious with the many now who cannot either as ACA is being dismantled, they also will get care at emergency rooms and of course that comes with caveats.

BUT IT IS A FALSE NARRATIVE TO......well we all know why such a false narrative is spread....serves a p point of view.

To believe that illegal immigrants can get health care and a born American cannot (maybe due to pre existing conditions) is a reflection of how easy it is to dupe american citizens to believe anything.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aces4

They don’t need insurance, their medical care is free.

I was taken to task and sort o maligned saying I cant use google.....suggesting you use google or whatever and allow everyone that link that says ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS GET FREE HEALTHCARE

Thanks

And remember......They along with any American with no health coverage is assured by Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act .

I simply object to the false narrative that illegal immigrants can purchase health c

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Aces4

They don’t need insurance, their medical care is free.

Most illegals do not even have vehicle insurance much less health insurance. That is why I carry uninsured motorist coverage (which I must pay for essentially on behalf of the deadbeat uninsured motorists).

Illegals just show up at hospital emergency rooms for drug overdoses, minor illnesses or wounds and get treated for free. In places their numbers are so great they overwhelm the medical facilities and people needing help are not seen in time. We all are paying for them through increased costs which fall on our backs.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Most illegals do not even have vehicle insurance much less health insurance. That is why I carry uninsured motorist coverage (which I must pay for essentially on behalf of the deadbeat uninsured motorists).

Illegals just show up at hospital emergency rooms for drug overdoses, minor illnesses or wounds and get treated for free. In places their numbers are so great they overwhelm the medical facilities and people needing help are not seen in time. We all are paying for them through increased costs which fall on our backs.

I believe ER records should be kept regarding illegal healthcare and stats released for the public so those who are convinced they don’t receive free medical services can see with their own eyes. Better yet, talk to an ER employee.

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I was taken to task and sort o maligned saying I cant use google.....suggesting you use google or whatever and allow everyone that link that says ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS GET FREE HEALTHCARE

Thanks

And remember......They along with any American with no health coverage is assured by Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act .

I simply object to the false narrative that illegal immigrants can purchase health c

I agree bucco, so frustrating when Google COULD be their friend!

[Northerner52]

I have a family member that is finishing her internship. It takes 7 years or so after college. She owes $500,000 in student loans.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Northerner52

I have a family member that is finishing her internship. It takes 7 years or so after college. She owes $500,000 in student loans.

Another example of costs going up when the Federal Government takes over. If student loans were not so easy to get for just about any type of education, college tuition and other education costs would not be anywhere near as high as they are. Total student loan debt is now about 1.6 trillion dollars, and college costs keep increasing.

[billethkid]

Student debt is a good subject for a separate thread.

[PersonalChoice]

Alieta Eck, M.D. testifies to Senate about a better way to provide medical care to the poor.

Alieta Eck, M.D. testifies to Senate about a better way to provide medical care to the poor - YouTube

[perrjojo]

As I recall I have read numerous article about the terrible state of Veteran's Health Care. I do believe this is a government run program. No thank you to Medicare for all.
VA history and failures

[mirage]

I AM CANADIEN AND OUR SYSTEM IS NOT PERFECT(NEVER SAW ANYTHING) RUN BY GOVERNMENT THAT IS EFFECIENT. bUT WITH DUE RESPECT OUR HEALTHCARE FROMWHAT i UNDERSTAND IS SUPERIOR. yES THERE CAN BE LONG WAITS BUT IF YOUR KNEE, HIP, HEART OR ANYTHING ELSE IS SERIOUS YOU WILL BE DONE IMMEDIATELY. eVERYONE RECIEVES THE SAME HEALTH. COULD IT BE IMPROVED YES BUT I BELIEVE IT IS GEAT FOR THE CITIZENS.