[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

And if you want to be a doctor, you must have a medical degree.
Want to be a lawyer? Law degree.

However, would it be right to “mandate” that we must all have medical and legal degrees because doctors and lawyers are required to have them?

Ah, I didn’t realize we were all mandated or required to have the vaccine, only if we wanted to do certain things. I think we are used to being able to go to the grocery store and not think that it is privately owned, or get on a bus, although we do have to pay a fare. We usually are not required to have vaccines for these activities, although schools have always required some vaccines to attend. So to adults it does sound like the vaccination is compelled.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

We were told, initially, that if got vaccinated you had a 90-95% chance of NOT GETTING Covid... And yes, I understand that there is always a chance, just like with the annual flu shot...



That came much later. Well after they found out the vaccine wasn't nearly as effective as initially advertised...

Irrelevant to the conversation...

And just to jog your memory, here's Fauci saying exactly what I said he did...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CG8aI4XCGw

How can I watch the same exact video and listen to the same exact information being conveyed and I come away with a totally different message? I heard Dr. Fauci say that the Moderna vaccine was 94.5% effective at stopping the virus. That means to me that we, as a population, are not 100% protected. There are individuals who just may contract the virus. He has said that all along. I'm so tired of hearing that people think that Fauci lied to us. He certainly did not lie to us. We were never told if we got the vaccine, we would not contract the virus.

How do you come away from listening to what Dr. Fauci says in this video that we, the American people, were told we would be protected 100% from this virus if we were vaccinated? If you still believe this is what we were told, please find another example.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by asianthree

ED saw patients immediate rash, from injection site, upward to neck and face, difficulty breathing, in some cases required intervention

Problematic patients had appointments in hospital setting just for that reason. Those who have anaphylactic issues with any vaccine, usually were denied by their physicians. Some Immuno compromised that had reaction to any vaccine, were brought in to hospital setting, give a half dose and wait for a reaction.
More people than you will ever know didn’t just get the mild ache, headache, joint issues. Anaphylactic patients are a known group, with serious precautions taken, for any medication. In many cases such as our family, anaphylactic reaction goes on for 5 generations.

Physicians having to use an intervention to keep patients breathing, That’s a severe reaction.

I'm very aware of anaphylactic reactions to vaccines and also any medication on the market. Anaphylaxis reactions can also occur with foods; nuts as an example.

To me, when some claims they had a "bad reaction", that does not mean they had an anaphylactic reaction. If they did, they would say they had an "anaphylactic reaction". I'm so glad to hear that individuals with a history of anaphylaxis, did seek out help to be vaccinated in a hospital setting with epinephrine on hand to counteract the reaction. They were smart in doing so.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

Here, not at gun point, but at risk of losing your job if you don't comply. That is also coercion. Get your jabs and your boosters if that makes you safe. I still believe in America and liberty and I will not comply. I'm fully vaccinated.......by the blood of Jesus.

You CAN NOT be serious! ROTFLMAO.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by unialimon

I thought you said you only got your information from reliable sources?

That is correct. Newsmax, (as an example) is not on my hit parade. I listen to main stream media and BBC with BBC being the most neutral there is.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

You CAN NOT be serious! ROTFLMAO.

Making fun of someone's religious faith is not cool.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

How can I watch the same exact video and listen to the same exact information being conveyed and I come away with a totally different message? I heard Dr. Fauci say that the Moderna vaccine was 94.5% effective at stopping the virus. That means to me that we, as a population, are not 100% protected. There are individuals who just may contract the virus. He has said that all along. I'm so tired of hearing that people think that Fauci lied to us. He certainly did not lie to us. We were never told if we got the vaccine, we would not contract the virus.

How do you come away from listening to what Dr. Fauci says in this video that we, the American people, were told we would be protected 100% from this virus if we were vaccinated? If you still believe this is what we were told, please find another example.

1. I NEVER said 100%. How you garnered that from what I wrote is a mystery... I specifically said 95%.

He also said PROTECTED from the virus. Not that you wouldn't get as sick, but PROTECTED FROM THE VIRUS. STOPPING the virus. How you can read that as any but you won't catch it 95% of the time is mind boggling...

2. The narrative changed that "we never told you it would protect you from getting the virus", but that "it would protect you from getting as sick when you caught the virus"...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That is correct. Newsmax, (as an example) is not on my hit parade. I listen to main stream media and BBC with BBC being the most neutral there is.

"You CAN NOT be serious! ROTFLMAO."

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by mdlnb

making fun of someone's religious faith is not cool.

Still ROTFLMAO!

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That is correct. Newsmax, (as an example) is not on my hit parade. I listen to main stream media and BBC with BBC being the most neutral there is.

Oh my God. I never cease to be amazed.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

1. I NEVER said 100%. How you garnered that from what I wrote is a mystery... I specifically said 95%.

He also said PROTECTED from the virus. Not that you wouldn't get as sick, but PROTECTED FROM THE VIRUS. STOPPING the virus. How you can read that as any but you won't catch it 95% of the time is mind boggling...

2. The narrative changed that "we never told you it would protect you from getting the virus", but that "it would protect you from getting as sick when you caught the virus"...

Did he say, "stopping the virus?" I did hear him say "protection from the virus". I recall that moment when I became fully vaccinated, two weeks after my second shot, that I was protected from hospitalization and death. NOT from ever contracting the virus because I knew I could always be part of that 5% who was not protected from contracting the virus. We were told nothing is 100% and I took that to mean the vaccine does not work 100% of the time to prevent illness, How could I have had that understanding? I stand by what I have said and I stand by my understanding of Fauci's words.

Having said that, I will go back and watch your posted video again to see how I may have misconstrued my comprehension of Fauci's words. To reiterate, this discussion is to "flesh our" the fact that supposedly the American people were told that if they were fully vaccinated, they would not become ill with Covid. Is that right????

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

Oh my God. I never cease to be amazed.

Just wondering, which news source do you consider to be accurate and non biased?

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Did he say, "stopping the virus?" I did hear him say "protection from the virus". I recall that moment when I became fully vaccinated, two weeks after my second shot, that I was protected from hospitalization and death. NOT from ever contracting the virus because I knew I could always be part of that 5% who was not protected from contracting the virus. We were told nothing is 100% and I took that to mean the vaccine does not work 100% of the time to prevent illness, How could I have had that understanding? I stand by what I have said and I stand by my understanding of Fauci's words.

Having said that, I will go back and watch your posted video again to see how I may have misconstrued my comprehension of Fauci's words. To reiterate, this discussion is to "flesh our" the fact that supposedly the American people were told that if they were fully vaccinated, they would not become ill with Covid. Is that right????

We WERE told that if we were vaccinated, we would not be able to pass on the virus to others. Just saying.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Just wondering, which news source do you consider to be accurate and non biased?

Certainly nothing I can watch on the boob tube, and yes, that includes FOX. But certainly, and without doubt, in no way, not in this lifetime or the next 10,000 lifetimes would I ever consider mainstream media or the BBC to be anything even closely resembling anything other than poorly written political commentary. But I can promise you, that if I did think that the MSM and/or the BBC were a good place to get unbiased news, I most certainly would NOT be blasting that fact for the public to see. I couldn’t live with the embarrassment.

But that’s just me.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

She certainly should have said she didn't recall hearing that from a reliable source. I have heard many, many things claimed about the vaccines that are not true; I have heard the claims made, but not from a reliable source. Reliable sources, to my recollection, have been consistent that the vaccines provide very good protection against serious illness but are not a guarantee against becoming infected.

POTUS - *should* be reliable but "messaging" and "optics" get in the way
Maddow - laughable (as are Carlson, Hannity, Reid, and most of the others)
Fauci - interesting FactCheck.org article from January 2021 quotes him as saying:

“You could be prevented from getting clinical disease, and still have the virus that is in your nasopharynx because you could get infected,” he said. “We’re not sure, at this point, that the vaccine protects you against getting infected.”

Fauci talks a lot and therefore gets misinterpreted a lot. It is quite possible that in another interview something else was said. Plus, I believe he admitted to a "noble lie" which certainly doesn't help his credibility.

I was just now looking back through this thread to find a video of Dr. Fauci in an interview posted by another poster. I re-read this post and watched the Fact Check video that is linked in this post. THIS is what I recall my understanding was when these mRNA vaccines were first available to the public.

I had originally read this post but did not watch the video. Glad I watched the video.