[asianthree]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Just wondering..........besides a high fever (104) and all the rotton side effects of a fever, what do you consider a "severe" reaction?

ED saw patients immediate rash, from injection site, upward to neck and face, difficulty breathing, in some cases required intervention

Problematic patients had appointments in hospital setting just for that reason. Those who have anaphylactic issues with any vaccine, usually were denied by their physicians. Some Immuno compromised that had reaction to any vaccine, were brought in to hospital setting, give a half dose and wait for a reaction.
More people than you will ever know didn’t just get the mild ache, headache, joint issues. Anaphylactic patients are a known group, with serious precautions taken, for any medication. In many cases such as our family, anaphylactic reaction goes on for 5 generations.

Physicians having to use an intervention to keep patients breathing, That’s a severe reaction.

[camaguey48]

Originally Posted by Velvet

You want see coercion, in some African countries Covid vaccine is mandated at gun point (WSJ).

Here, not at gun point, but at risk of losing your job if you don't comply. That is also coercion. Get your jabs and your boosters if that makes you safe. I still believe in America and liberty and I will not comply. I'm fully vaccinated.......by the blood of Jesus.

[MartinSE]

There was recently a lady posting on TOTV whose husband had a stroke (or smoother event) and had slow response at the hospital emergency room. I felt for her, my brother (78) in Texas just had a stroke and care was slow also - in Texas.

The staff was thin and exhausted and still not recovered from the massive work load of unvaccinated patients they were swamped with. I don't know if that is what this ladies situation was, but I do know my doctor at the VA has told me the same was true there. I recently (a few weeks ago) had to go to the emergency room at the VA in Gainesville, and spoke with many of the nurses and doctors there, and they were completely exhausted. Again, because they had been over run by patients that had NOT been vaccinated.

I don't know all the stuff people talk about here, and I don't know enough to say if I should or shouldn't get another shot, I just do what my doctor tells me to do. I feel it is the least I can do to help them provide the care and treatment I need more and more often as I get older. To me it is about being a good neighbor.

[unialimon]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I only get my information from reliable sources. Conspiracy theory sites and sources have never been a news source for me.

I thought you said you only got your information from reliable sources?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

Here, not at gun point, but at risk of losing your job if you don't comply. That is also coercion. Get your jabs and your boosters if that makes you safe. I still believe in America and liberty and I will not comply. I'm fully vaccinated.......by the blood of Jesus.

You got a drivers license?
Wear a seat belt?
Have car insurance?
Pay your taxes?
Need I go on?

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

Here, not at gun point, but at risk of losing your job if you don't comply. That is also coercion. Get your jabs and your boosters if that makes you safe. I still believe in America and liberty and I will not comply. I'm fully vaccinated.......by the blood of Jesus.

Well that should definitely help you, in heaven. Where it counts anyways. I hope to get there too but in the meantime I’d like a few more happy years here….

Personally, I’ll do whatever it takes to keep my family and myself healthy. But my daughter won’t get the vaccine, she didn’t say why. Fortunately she has not caught this horrible virus so far. I have to bite my tongue but it is her choice and she is an adult.

As far as jobs go, no one has a right to any job. One has to earn the privilege to work for money. The employer can set the conditions, and the person seeking the job can say, “I don’t think so.” Until you are physically tied down and forced to get a shot…

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Whole lot to unpack from this post.
Out of respect to your 92 years…….I will pass on any comments.

Well, if get to 92 then I would comment.

[davem4616]

I'll take my chances after two and the booster

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Do you feel the same way about the annual flu vaccine? Is that a money grab too?

Yes, for me. I rarely get flu or catch cold. But, that’s me. Now, in another 10 years or less I might be old, weak enough, and my body failing?

I wondered how all the people (not working) caught Covid? Did they NOT take the advise like staying away from crowds, indoor or out, not eating out where IMO your odds go up dramatically of catching everything that’s going around, air borne, from strange people around you, or in the food. Large percentage that can’t follow simple instructions IMO so rest of us has to suffer.

[rrtjp]

Wife and I got the first 2 shots and decided that’s it. Not going to keep getting booster shots every few months for whatever new variant that pops up. In my opinion the only people that will be benefitting now from all these booster shots will be the drug manufacturers. Sorry but I personally do not have a whole lot of confidence in these drug companies, these are the same companies that every year can’t get the flu vaccine right, they can’t predict which flu variant we will getting every flu season. The flu has been around a lot longer than COVID, so I am finding it difficult to believe that these same drug manufacturers truly have a handle on the COVID booster shots. This is a personal choice for everyone.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Vaccinated people are LESS LIKELY to become infected. Un-vaccinated individuals are MORE LIKELY to become infected.

Read about it here.......
You're Far Less Likely to Spread the Coronavirus If You're Vaccinated

"Less likely?" Ok, I'll give you that since I cannot prove otherwise. However, all the folks that I know NOW that are infected, have been vaccinated. Of course, it is always good to have the positive feeling that one has made the right decision when you think others have not. Why not say something that CAN possibly be proved and that those that have the vaccination will have milder symptoms than those that did not receive the vaccination? Of course, I also know of many family members that caught the dreaded covid prior to vaccinations being available and they had minor symptoms, milder than my own that I incurred after being vaccinated and still catching covid. I am not attempting to convince anyone NOT to get the vaccinations, but I do take issue with those that use static arguments versus a dynamic reasoning process.

Perhaps a possible means of conveying the message is to inform folks that there is way more of a chance of becoming infected with the dreaded covid virus now than before and that IF they are vaccinated, they may-MAY have milder symptoms than if they are not vaccinated. You may also inform them that they are less likely to be hospitalized, even though it is still a possibility. The unvaccinated are not the enemy. Covid is the enemy.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

You got a drivers license?
Wear a seat belt?
Have car insurance?
Pay your taxes?
Need I go on?

None of those are REQUIRED.
No to seat belt if you are not in a vehicle
No to car insurance if you do not have a car
Taxes are only required (or face jailtime) if you have an income


Got your drift though.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

None of those are REQUIRED.
No to seat belt if you are not in a vehicle
No to car insurance if you do not have a car
Taxes are only required (or face jailtime) if you have an income


Got your drift though.

If you want to be a bus driver, they are all required. Jobs are not a “right”.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Velvet

If you want to be a bus driver, they are all required. Jobs are not a “right”.

In this country, no one dictates what job you MUST fill. IF/IF does not make it REQUIRED. There are other jobs besides bus driver.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Velvet

If you want to be a bus driver, they are all required. Jobs are not a “right”.

And if you want to be a doctor, you must have a medical degree.
Want to be a lawyer? Law degree.

However, would it be right to “mandate” that we must all have medical and legal degrees because doctors and lawyers are required to have them?