[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

You have mentioned Dr. Dean Ornish many times in your posts. I believe Steve Jobs was a vegetarian. Do you know if it's true that Steve Jobs went on Dr. Ornish's anti-cancer diet before he passed away from cancer?

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Not sure what point you're trying to get at here ....

I was actually directing my question to Village Pl, but I do appreciate your response. My point was that a Vegan diet and an anti-cancer/Dr. Ornish diet did not prevent Steve Jobs from dying from prostate cancer. Perhaps because it was "in his genes".

Jimbo, as a personal note, I do believe in eating mostly vegetables and fruit, and I haven't eaten red meat in seven years, and my Lab numbers are healthy. But I also strongly believe that moderation is key ... Which Villages Pl says is just a excuse for "bad" behavior.

I think that having friends and fun are way, way more important than being overly restrictive. I think it's a positive thing to meet friends for dinner, to drink wine, and to have occasional treats.

[jimbo2012]

Restrictive to one person may not be the same to another agree?

I can assure you that being a vegan has no effect having friends and fun.

We meet friends for dinner, to drink beer - wine.

We don't go out to eat dinner with friends because we are starving for food we go out to socialize.

We party plenty we're not monks

I don't believe in diet moderation, it's simply and excuse for lack of will power.

But I commend the fact that you don't eat red meat a/ka dead animals.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I was actually directing my question to Village Pl, but I do appreciate your response. My point was that a Vegan diet and an anti-cancer/Dr. Ornish diet did not prevent Steve Jobs from dying from prostate cancer. Perhaps because it was "in his genes".

Jimbo, as a personal note, I do believe in eating mostly vegetables and fruit, and I haven't eaten red meat in seven years, and my Lab numbers are healthy. But I also strongly believe that moderation is key ... Which Villages Pl says is just a excuse for "bad" behavior.

I think that having friends and fun are way, way more important than being overly restrictive. I think it's a positive thing to meet friends for dinner, to drink wine, and to have occasional treats.

I never followed what was going on with Steve Jobs regarding his health, and that's why I didn't answer your post. I just did a little online search and learned that he had pancreatic cancer. He also had a liver transplant prior to that. One account stated that he put off surgery for 6 months so he could try some kind of dietary remedy and that cost him his life.

I have never made a blanket statement that diet will cure cancer. My previous statement about an anti-cancer diet is for the purpose of prevention (i.e., lowering ones risk).

Doctor Ornish did a clinical study with prostate cancer patients and the result was that his patients were able to reduce their PSA numbers by going on a vegan diet. This may be a good option for older men who have been diagnosed with slow growing prostate cancer.

About Steeve Jobs: I don't know exactly what his diet consisted of and I don't know what his stress levels were and I don't know how or if he exercised. And I don't know anything about his genetic family history. As far as diet: Probably no two vegans eat the exact same diet, just as no two carnivores eat the exact same diet. There are at least a few ways to ruin a vegan diet, for example, eating a lot of refined sugar is one way. And job stress, which I believe Steve Jobs likely had, can lower one's immune system. I don't know why he got cancer, I'm just saying that there could have been various lifestyle choices that could have caused problems inspite of his diet, whatever it was.