[Cantwaittoarrive]

Originally Posted by Joaniesmom

I think Bill Clinton looks really bad lately. Had you all not mentioned his new diet, I would have thought he was very ill.

[Duvalboomer]

Originally Posted by Joaniesmom

I think Bill Clinton looks really bad lately. Had you all not mentioned his new diet, I would have thought he was very ill.

[villagerjack]

"The AARP recently highlighted Clinton's typical daily menu saying, "For Bill Clinton, breakfast is almost always an almond-milk smoothie, blended with fresh berries, nondairy protein powder and a chunk of ice. Lunch is usually some combo of green salad and beans. He snacks on nuts — "those are good fats" — or hummus with raw vegetables, while dinner often includes quinoa, the Incan super-grain, or sometimes a veggie burger."

NEVER!

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Duvalboomer

Since science still has not determined the causes of heart disease how or why is DIET the most obvious common cause? I've read studies that say low magnesium may be a significant factor in heart disease and there are hundreds of studies that list other factors.

Most deficiencies are caused by poor diet. So we're back to diet.

It's strange that you mention all those hundreds of studies that no one seems to have heard of. Can you at least document a few of them with links or book titles?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

Almost all of my father's immediate family died of heart attacks by age 50. They lived in different areas and had differing diets when they died.

Having differing diets could mean anything. Some ate jelly donuts, some ate cream filled donuts, while others ate plain donuts? In what significant way were their diets different?

Contrast that with my mother's immediate family that are all still alive at almost 90, living in different areas and having differing diets. Of course, my mother and father shared the same diet, up until he died at age 46. She's 87 now.

The last time we talked about this I mentioned the fact that Dr. Dean Ornish has stated, in one of his books, that some people have more cholesterol receptors than others. In that case, if everyone eats a high protein, high fat, high cholesterol diet, those who have lots of receptors may avoid getting heart disease and those who have too few will likely develop heart disease. But there are many other degenerative diseases caused by a high protein, high fat, high cholesterol diet. So you likely raise your risk for one thing or another by eating such a diet.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

You're on. A diet of 25 eggs/day should clog your arteries, right? Not this guy.


And we always hear the "health food folks" tell us that eating eggs isn't good for us. Not so.

We've been through this already on another thread. As I have said, according to Dr. Dean Ornish, some people have more cholesterol receptors than others. So, a relatively few lucky people can eat lots of eggs or sausage etc. and their colesterol receptors will efficiently dispose of excess cholesterol. But they still raise their risk for many other degenerative diseases.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I think eggs are one of nature's finest foods, especially if they come from free range hens.

It's natures finest food for the chick that's about to hatch from the egg. I've decided to eat 3 "Egglands Best" poached eggs per week under the heading of moderation. That's because I've determined I have a need for some extra iodine for "normal" thyroid function.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

So, in other words, you agree that genetics can be at least as important as diet?

Yes, in certain limited situations. Dr. Ornish specified that it's only a lucky few who can go all out and not get heart disease. Most people can't count on being saved from heart disease by having lots of cholesterol receptors. Now for those unlucky people who have too few cholesterol receptors, they can still avoid heart disease by eating a heart-healthy diet.

There has never been any heart disease in my extended (Italian) family so I suspect that we must have a generous amount of cholesterol receptors. But that doesn't mean I can eat anything I want. That's because, other than my grandparents, many in my family have had cancer. And the anti-cancer diet is basically the same as the heart-healthy diet. It seems there are no loopholes to get away from having to eat a healthy diet. Although, I have modified my diet to inclued 3 "Egglands Best" poached-eggs per week because I have decided I need some of the nutrition, like iodine, for "normal" thyroid function.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

We've been through this already on another thread. As I have said, according to Dr. Dean Ornish, ......

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Yes, in certain limited situations. Dr. Ornish specified ...... .

You have mentioned Dr. Dean Ornish many times in your posts. I believe Steve Jobs was a vegetarian. Do you know if it's true that Steve Jobs went on Dr. Ornish's anti-cancer diet before he passed away from cancer?

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Do you know if it's true that Steve Jobs went on Dr. Ornish's anti-cancer diet before he passed away from cancer?

Not sure what point you're trying to get at here is but Dr. Ornish recommended to Steve Jobs that he have surgery immediately upon getting his first cancer diagnosis.

He received no medication for a little over a year, he was also a Buddhist, that acted too late.

[Duvalboomer]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Most deficiencies are caused by poor diet. So we're back to diet.

It's strange that you mention all those hundreds of studies that no one seems to have heard of. Can you at least document a few of them with links or book titles?

Sure and B12 deficiencies are common in those that don't eat meat so I guess leaving meat out of your diet would qualify as a poor diet. No I will not do the work for you if you are truly interested you can look the studies up for yourself and if you are not interested why should I waste my time?

[jimbo2012]

The worst case id your B12 may low but not detrimental.

So to take a B12 tablet is just a precaution but not an absolute.

The fact that most animals, including humans, are capable of storing long-term supplies of B12.

In humans, these stores may last for several years.

By the we both take it. Checked on quarterly blood work and is always above normal.

Now should we also worry about vitamin D

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News flash: Most of the population (which eats TONS of meat and fish) is B12 deficient.
Please don't eat meat (and risk your health and that of the animals) for that reason. Just take the damn pill.

[Duvalboomer]

Maybe Bush and others should go on this guys diet which does include meat
Bolivia records: Aymara herder is 123 years old

[BarryRX]

I've commented on Jimbo's posts before. I am always trying to eat lower on the food chain, but occasionally fall off the wagon. I guess I would describe myself as a piscetarian (no meat but eats fish) most of the time. But since my wife is not of the same mind, it's difficult. Nobody loves a medium rare porterhouse more than I do, but I just feel better when I stay away from meat. I worry that Jimbo may turn people off from trying vegetarian eating by his "preaching", but it works for me both from a health and moral aspect.

[jimbo2012]

I have no intent to preach at all, I post articles by others.

Don't shoot the messenger please

I enjoy sharing the success both my wife and I have experienced over the last 3 years on this lifestyle & plant based diet.

There are other benefits that may not be appropriate to discuss in a public forum.