[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Alto2548

LOL... I wasn't "afraid" to get the jab. I did my own research and listened to multiple reknowned doctors (i.e., Robert Malone, Peter McCoullough, Ryan Cole, etc.) before & after social media outlets SILENCED them bc they were going against the propaganda of Saint Fauci and the MSM. What I heard about potential side effects from the shot (technically, it's NOT a vaccine) convinced me to wait & see what happens.

Now that most of the population (including children unfortunately) has been injected, reports of excess deaths and disabilities have PROVEN to me that I made the right decision.

For any of you left with an open mind on the subject, please check out the analysis done by Steve Kirsch on Substack and Dr. Naomi Wolfe on DailyClout.io. Dr. Wolf has a team of medical professionals and ananlysts scouring through the thousands of pages Pfizer was forced by a court to release regarding their emergency-use "vaccine (not)." What they have found so far will give you nightmares. Dr. Wolf also has a team of lawyers who are compiling all of the evidence with the goal of taking Pfizer, the FDA and the CDC to court.

And if you think you were safer taking the Moderna or J&J shots, think again. ALL of the mRNA shots are dangerous to your & your family members' health.

Bottomline: I'm tired of being lectured by people who rushed out and got jabbed without considering all of the facts so I'm NOT going to "thank you" for taking part in the largest human guinea pig medical experiment ever attempted. Why do you think so many career medical professionals and scientists have been censored? They are not crack pots, they are highly credenitialed and have been trying to warn everyone for over a year now. Unfortunately, their voices and those of us who refused the jab have been ignored and we're just beginning to see the devastating results.

Hogwash!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Yep, COV!D would be over if we did not have the “vaxcine”, which created all the variants. Follow the real science.
Long term effects yet to be determined.

Thank goodness for the variants. This Covid virus is less virulent now. Isn't that the natural evolution of viruses?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

I know of two instances that proves you wrong on that.

Were those "two instances" immunocompromised?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Thank goodness for the variants. This Covid virus is less virulent now. Isn't that the natural evolution of viruses?

The evolution of viruses where there is a vaccine favors mutations that result in the virus becoming more contagious. If the virus kills too quickly, it will kill the host before it spreads enough to ramp up.

So, the evolutionary step most likely to survive is one that is more contagious and less deadly, allowing it to spread further and faster.

The danger is that since it is spreading rapidly, with a lot of hosts to mutate in, there is an opportunity to mutate into one that I’ve very contagious and that can completely. Bypass the vaccine. If that happens we are back to day one.

So far it hasn’t happened, but with so many unvaccinated hosts, it is still a strong possibility.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Hogwash!

Thank you, I have been metaphorically biting my tongue, I was so tempted to say that.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Were those "two instances" immunocompromised?

No.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Amazing how some people think they know so much more than graduates of medical school with many years of practice.

Thanks for your posts.

I second that. Thanks GE.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

The evolution of viruses where there is a vaccine favors mutations that result in the virus becoming more contagious. If the virus kills too quickly, it will kill the host before it spreads enough to ramp up.

So, the evolutionary step most likely to survive is one that is more contagious and less deadly, allowing it to spread further and faster.

The danger is that since it is spreading rapidly, with a lot of hosts to mutate in, there is an opportunity to mutate into one that I’ve very contagious and that can completely. Bypass the vaccine. If that happens we are back to day one.

So far it hasn’t happened, but with so many unvaccinated hosts, it is still a strong possibility.

We wouldn't be back to "day one" with a virus that is less virulent than the original strain. More contagious, yes, but not as deadly.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

No.

So sorry.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

We wouldn't be back to "day one" with a virus that is less virulent than the original strain. More contagious, yes, but not as deadly.

This gets complicated. And as with all misinformation that contains a touch of truth, it can be misinterpreted.

If the vaccine is preventing the mutated virus from being as deadly, then it can in fact mutate getting more contagious and MORE DEADLY, but hosts will survive longer since they are vaccinated. Then when it mutates again it could bypass the vaccine completely, and it will be both more contagious and more deadly.

That has NOT happened yet. In the random events known as mutation it could happen, the more hosts it infects, the more types of mutations that can occur. One of those could be the bad news bear.

That is WHY it is so important that enough people are vaccinated to prevent that possibility. That is why smallpox if mostly gone. That is why, until recently polio was gone. Vaccines were pretty much mandated everywhere and so, the virus was prevented from spreading rapidly and mutating rapidly until it self extinguished - mostly.

The recent surge of "anti-vaxxers" has brought Measles back from the dead, and have now reintroduced Polio. More to come as we progress further and further into the Dark Ages V2.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Tell this to the million Americans who died from the virus

From or "with" Covid?

[dhdallas]

Not only are the tests inaccurate but pointless. If you feel sick, then stay home and have some chicken soup.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Tell this to the million Americans who died from the virus

You mean WITH or tested positive. How many MILLIONS really had the virus and did NOT die from it?
Not related directly, but whenever I go to a doctor's appointment now, the receptionist asks me if I had my covid vaccination. They never ask for proof and never ask if I have had any boosters. Makes one wonder if they are taking covid seriously or just going through the motions.

[Byte1]

After getting up every morning (at the beginning) to get on a list for the vaccination, and finally driving over an hour to get the shots for my wife and myself, we finally felt that we had done our due diligence by getting vaccinated. Then the boosters were available some time after that, but my wife felt ill and used the home test kit to find out that she tested positive. Her doctor prescribed a "Z"pack which she is allergic to, so she just treated it like a cold. She is diabetic, cancer survivor and hypertensive with medication. She fared well. I came down with symptoms and called my doctor. He told me that they did not treat for home test kit results and said I had to get a "real" test. I didn't bother and just treated my symptoms like a cold. Since I seemed to have a sinus infection, I took my wife's "Z" pack which seemed to work almost immediately (couple days) and over the counter cold medicine. We didn't have the booster then and have not gotten one since. However we do know of family that rush out and get every booster that becomes available, sanitize obsessively and still caught the virus. I do not know if the vaccinations have made a difference, but figured that they were important at the beginning, so we got them. Now, my wife refuses to get the boosters and since I do not get flu shots, I am not going to get the boosters either. That is my choice and just my opinion, as a non-medical, non-professional. It is NOT luck that I have not had a serious illness, because I have the worst luck in the world if I ever gamble. I have never in my life picked a single number from a winning lottery ticket. I do not win at poker, ever. I have never won at a prize drawing. If anything, I am blessed, not lucky. Or, maybe lucky to be blessed? Anyway, I do not attempt to discourage anyone in my family from getting vaccinations. This is simply my choice, based on my opinion that I don't want that stuff in my system. I have had my shingles shot and my pneumonia vaccination. When traveling overseas, I got the required inoculations required. Whether I am right or wrong is not relevant. Arguing over whether or not shots work is not relevant because there are way too many factors involved regarding the medical history of the patients. Also my opinion and not a professional statement. Do what is best for you, in YOUR opinion. I live my life as normal as possible right now. If someone feels that I might be a carrier of the covid, then I guess you had better avoid me or continue to wear protection.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Were those "two instances" immunocompromised?

No.