[jimbo2012]

+1.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

I guess using the word "reversed" in brackets wasn't the way to explain what I meant. We are on the same page in essence I think as I interpreted Dr. Lipton to mean that we are not "doomed" by our genetics but in fact can influence our own makeup so that we are not a "victim" to the presence of a particular gene.

The emotional "work" is one of the major pieces that helps us to "change" the outcome so that the gene doesn't get "triggered". or put into play. He is a supporter, I believe, of EFT and similar emotional tools and talks about their importance in helping to shift beliefs.

I remember one trainer telling us that beliefs are only as strong as you choose to make them. They are ideas that we repeat to ourselves and then se sort for their confirmation in the "real world" and as we do that they get bigger and stronger and soon become the foundation stones that we build our conclusions upon.

And we forget that we may have gotten them through our history, our life experience, our teachers etc etc. and that in essence we are channeling them rather than deciding for ourself what we really want to believe and what we want to build our life experience around.

Golly this is getting heavy. Sorry about that. Take what you want and forget about the rest.

LW888

Thanks; good post. I only have his book to go by.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Yes, I agree with your post. It's what I was trying to relay last week on another thread.......

Some people, including JIM FIX, the author of the 1977 best selling book, "THE COMPLETE BOOK OF RUNNING", who although apparently attempting to do everything right, died on July 20, 1984, at age 51.

The key phrase is: attempting to do everything right Attempting to do everything right doesn't mean that he did everything right.

Someone on this forum totally misunderstood everything I said about genetics and our D.N.A. being an important element in our life span, irregardless of what we eat or don't eat......based on personal histories of people I have known in my lifetime.........including those like JIM FIX who exercised & no doubt also ate "well" but still died young.

The key phrase here is: no doubt also ate well That's an assumption on your part. People often make wrong assumptions about the diets of healthy looking athletes. My best friend is an athlete who claims to practice moderation and eats a lot of processed foods.

Life is indeed short.........so why become a "nervous nellie" over every item of food that others choose to consume. All of our days are numbered.

Life will indeed be short for those whose lifestyle lacks a sense of direction other than following a philosophy of "moderation".

All of our days are numbered? Seems like I got it right when I said: Faith-based predetermination. It's all based on anecdotes, assumptions and faith, and nothing of genuine substance.

[Shimpy]

I've read Pretikin and Dean Ornish many years ago, followed their diet and had good results. Only after slipping away from their diet did I have problems such as clogged Cardiod arteries, triple bypass surgery, etc. I've never heard of Esselstyn but will look for his book.
What sticks in my mind is one of the above authors described what kind of body we have. Out teeth are not like carnivores, but are grinders that are common in plant and nut eaters. Out intestines are very long, not like carnivores that are very short and have very strong digestive juices. In short, we are not built like meat eaters.

[jimbo2012]

Les,
Dr. E was the head of cardiac surgery his work is sooo on point for you.

Get the book, but the DVD Forks over Knives will really get you thinking.

Get both on Amazon.

I have a friend that had surgery on his carotids two years ago. I got him going on this diet last May in February he went in for ultrasound of his carotids as he does on an annual follow up.

The other 3 arteries opened up about 15%, BP normal no meds for it or his high cholesterol which is now <150 if I recall.

His vascular surgeon was taken back by his results.

Originally Posted by Shimpy

What sticks in my mind is one of the above authors described what kind of body we have. Out teeth are not like carnivores, but are grinders that are common in plant and nut eaters. Out intestines are very long, not like carnivores that are very short and have very strong digestive juices. In short, we are not built like meat eaters.

I agree!

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

Interesting bio Senior Citizen and a good example of how emotional stress might have been at the bottom of the "cause" regardless of his diet and exercise. We know from Dr. Bruce Lipton that genetics can be an issue that can be "reversed?" if the belief and attitude is recognized and responded to in a proactive "I can do this" and an "I'm OK" kind of way. The challenge is to recognize the presence of any subconscious programs that are afraid to buy into a new belief. We usually have some vested interest in hanging on to old beliefs and habits. That is why listening to our body works well if we can "hear" it, as the messages are coming from the non-logical part and so we have to go to a trusting place that may or may not be able to be explained....yet!

LW888

It cannot be reversed in all cases, believe me....no matter what this doctor says. I have read, over the years, all of Dean Ornish's books as well.

My dad, who was born as one of a set of twin boys, had a congenital heart ailment since birth; the other twin died at birth.

My father was lean, ate no junk food, walked everywhere and still died at age 68. My mom always said he was on borrowed time. She died at 91, surviving three husbands.

All of my dad's siblings lived into their 90's, his mom to 95, etc., etc.

Again, back then, they did not do heart surgery, etc. and the most he was on was digitalis......many minor heart attacks and many many minor strokes.

I'm well educated in the entire holistic and natural healing field.........

I've seen perfectly HAPPY WHOLESOME with "everything to live for" young women die in the past few years of the aggressive form of breast cancer.

Highly educated women who raised their own organic veggies, did everything right..........again, it ran in their families. They had the best of care..........and left a slew of little children motherless.

Again, I will say that I believe it is not so cut and dried.

Not everyone can remain healthy eating healthy food.

These people were not despondant and not "NEGATIVE" but were intelligent college professors, teachers, etc. and young moms.

They had everything to live for and led a wholesome life in a wholesome state away from pollution..........it was in their D.N.A.

Now, perhaps birth control pills set off the cancer cells............
That's been kept pretty hush hush although I have read quite a bit.......

I'm really against pharmaceuticals more than against food in general.
I think it's unnatural to put all these chemicals in ones body. Nuff said.

I also know people of "great faith" and others with individual belief systems of their own.....who remained positive, and still died of cancer.

It's not a pretty sight to see what radiation and chemo did to these young moms who had been so vibrant and healthy. Chemo is a poison.

If only wishful thinking and "right thoughts" could solve all the illnesses, it would indeed be wonderful.

[lightworker888]

Sr. Citizen, I certainly didn't mean that changing emotions would "cure" a di-ease, I only wanted to point out how important and powerful our emotional vibration is to the chemical "soup" or internal terrain that provides the environment for disease. The aspects of our life that contribute to the terrain are many and interactive, so food and stress etc etc all play their part. However it has been shown in many ways, that the changing of your responses facilitates the process and can dramatically alter the outcome. That is why things like visualization work so well. Our brain processes actually seen and imagined, the same way. So many of the older "holistic" approaches (eg. TCM & Homeopathy) have very powerful emotional elements that can interpret the body's messages and the correlations are common among the different therapies. That being said, the challenge for me is becoming aware of the different messages and learning to interpret them. But what I have learned from personal and professional experience is that the more we listen to our bodies and our inner voices, the more easily we can put the pieces together and the more accurate and frequent the messages will be. I do believe that the body is continually working towards wellness and is seeking support on all levels. And the more we work to stay in balance in mind/body/spirit then the more easily the body can move along the road to health. Hope that makes some sense.

LW888

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Again, I will say that I believe it is not so cut and dried.

I'm not sure that anyone said that it was cut and dried. What's been said is that you should do your best to live the very best lifestyle possible. The better one does at following good rules of nutrition, the more likely it is they will reduce their risk for degenerative diseases. No one ever said there would be a 100% guarantee of success. If someone is born with a heart defect, that's not a degenerative disease of aging and a healthy diet will obviously not cure it. And I don't believe anyone on this board ever said that it would.

Not everyone can remain healthy eating healthy food.

Right, but what is the alternative? Eating unhealthy food? As I said above, we should try to follow the very best rules of nutrition to reduce our risk for developing degenerative diseases.

..........it was in their D.N.A.

Some people may be born with birth defects for various reasons. Maybe the mother was lacking certain nutrients when she was pregnant. Maybe she smoked, drank alcohol or used drugs. So not everything is D.N.A.

I'm really against pharmaceuticals more than against food in general. I think it's unnatural to put all these chemicals in ones body. Nuff said.

Look at the ingredients of a store bought apple pie. Or presevatives in some meats. They are no less chemicals than some of the chemicals in pharmaceuticals. And fresh vegetables contain lots of good chemicals. I don't like drugs either but let's face it, chemicals are everywhere

I also know people of "great faith" and others with individual belief systems of their own.....who remained positive, and still died of cancer.

Yes, good point. So all this stuff about being happy to solve all of our health problems is somewhat off the mark.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I'm not sure that anyone said that it was cut and dried. What's been said is that you should do your best to live the very best lifestyle possible. The better one does at following good rules of nutrition, the more likely it is they will reduce their risk for degenerative diseases. No one ever said there would be a 100% guarantee of success. If someone is born with a heart defect, that's not a degenerative disease of aging and a healthy diet will obviously not cure it. And I don't believe anyone on this board ever said that it would.




Right, but what is the alternative? Eating unhealthy food? As I said above, we should try to follow the very best rules of nutrition to reduce our risk for developing degenerative diseases.



Some people may be born with birth defects for various reasons. Maybe the mother was lacking certain nutrients when she was pregnant. Maybe she smoked, drank alcohol or used drugs. So not everything is D.N.A.



Look at the ingredients of a store bought apple pie. Or presevatives in some meats. They are no less chemicals than some of the chemicals in pharmaceuticals. And fresh vegetables contain lots of good chemicals. I don't like drugs either but let's face it, chemicals are everywhere



Yes, good point. So all this stuff about being happy to solve all of our health problems is rubbish.

My dad was born in 1899 to Italian immigrant parents.
I assure you his mom did not do drugs and neither did she smoke.

Wine, I would say yes to....as that was part of their culture.
Home made red wine. None of her other living children had heart defects. Just my dad and his twin brother who died at birth.

Actually, she had 16 pregnancies with several sets of twins.
Only seven of those pregnancies resulted in viable births.
They all lived to a ripe old age, including her, to age 95.
Her huband succumbed to influenza in 1915....leaving her a widow to raise the seven children plus three of her little brothers..........(after her own mom died in Italy).

I would say that although she ate a healthful peasant diet which today would be called the Meditteranean Diet (I remember eating at her home), her body was no doubt depleted from all those pregnancies.........

He outlived his "twin" by many years. Funny, but they named both boys the same name...........

The only ones who smoked cigars were the "uncles"..........they all lived to a ripe old age as well as their big sister.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

My dad was born in 1899 to Italian immigrant parents.
I assure you his mom did not do drugs and neither did she smoke.

Wine, I would say yes to....as that was part of their culture.
Home made red wine. None of her other living children had heart defects. Just my dad and his twin brother who died at birth.

Actually, she had 16 pregnancies with several sets of twins.
Only seven of those pregnancies resulted in viable births.
They all lived to a ripe old age, including her, to age 95.
Her huband succumbed to influenza in 1915....leaving her a widow to raise the seven children plus three of her little brothers..........(after her own mom died in Italy).

I would say that although she ate a healthful peasant diet which today would be called the Meditteranean Diet (I remember eating at her home), her body was no doubt depleted from all those pregnancies.........

He outlived his "twin" by many years. Funny, but they named both boys the same name...........

The only ones who smoked cigars were the "uncles"..........they all lived to a ripe old age as well as their big sister.

I didn't mean to imply that your grandmother did drugs, smoked or any of that. I was just trying to point out that there are a lot of unknown things that can contribute to health issues other than genes.

My grandparents were Italian immigrants too. So I know a little about some of the things that went on there. If I remember correctly, I believe my father told me that his father used to throw handfulls of DDT around the perimiter of their home to kill fleas and other bugs. They had no idea there could be potential harm to humans. Perhaps, given enough exposure to DDT, a woman could have problems, assuming that this may have been a common practice. I'm just saying it doesn't hurt to stop and consider that we don't know everything that went on back then.

I did a more careful reading of parts of Dr. Bruce Lipton's book today and this is what I came up with (in my own words). When you think your genes control you and you had no input in which genes you inherited, it's likely you will think of yourself as a victim. You will think that aging and disease is beyond your control.

But the truth is that genes can't do anything by themselves. Correlation is not causation. Certain genes may be associated with certain diseases but it's rare that a gene alone can cause disease. Only about 2% of people get disorders based on a single faulty gene. This would be for diseases like cystic fibrosis, beta thalassemia, and Huntington's. Otherwise, genes only become active when triggered by lifestyle or environment. Dr. Bruce Lipton, professor of biology, wants us to know that genes do not control our destiny.

I reread some portions of another book that is all about genes. It's "The Dependent Gene" by David S. Moore, Ph.D. The title itself tells the whole story. Like Dr. Lipton, he also believes that genes alone can't do anything. Even eye and hair color are determined by interactions with the environment.

He uses flower seeds as an example of genes not being able to do anything by themselves: Buy a package of flower seeds. They contain the genes to make flowers. If you leave them in the package, what happens? Nothing happens. They need to be planted in the proper environment. That calls for good soil, the right amount of water and plenty of sun (usually full sun). Try planting them in full shade, poor soil with insuffcient water and see if the genes give you any flowers. Most likely you'll get a stunted plant with little or no flowers at all.

[lightworker888]

work on the mind and health here is a fabulous link to a Q&A he gave at the EFT 2011 world summit. He clearly explains the understanding behind the beliefs that I have done my best to articulate and I realize that the difficulty in comprehension may be coming from the difference in paradigms that support the different viewpoints. My practice of over 30 years has been based on Quantum Theory and my beliefs and processes stem from that paradigm and Dr. Lipton has explained it very clearly I feel. He answers questions related directly to our health and health management and may help to clarify comments that have been made in this thread and other related ones. Hope some of you will take the opportunity to listen. It really gives much food for thought.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Tt0yGMm88&feature=related]Science & Theory behind the Tapping World Summit - Bruce Lipton - YouTube[/ame]

LW888

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I didn't mean to imply that your grandmother did drugs, smoked or any of that. I was just trying to point out that there are a lot of unknown things that can contribute to health issues other than genes.

My grandparents were Italian immigrants too. So I know a little about some of the things that went on there. If I remember correctly, I believe my father told me that his father used to throw handfulls of DDT around the perimiter of their home to kill fleas and other bugs. They had no idea there could be potential harm to humans. Perhaps, given enough exposure to DDT, a woman could have problems, assuming that this may have been a common practice. I'm just saying it doesn't hurt to stop and consider that we don't know everything that went on back then.

I did a more careful reading of parts of Dr. Bruce Lipton's book today and this is what I came up with (in my own words). When you think your genes control you and you had no input in which genes you inherited, it's likely you will think of yourself as a victim. You will think that aging and disease is beyond your control.

But the truth is that genes can't do anything by themselves. Correlation is not causation. Certain genes may be associated with certain diseases but it's rare that a gene alone can cause disease. Only about 2% of people get disorders based on a single faulty gene. This would be for diseases like cystic fibrosis, beta thalassemia, and Huntington's. Otherwise, genes only become active when triggered by lifestyle or environment. Dr. Bruce Lipton, professor of biology, wants us to know that genes do not control our destiny.

I reread some portions of another book that is all about genes. It's "The Dependent Gene" by David S. Moore, Ph.D. The title itself tells the whole story. Like Dr. Lipton, he also believes that genes alone can't do anything. Even eye and hair color are determined by interactions with the environment.

He uses flower seeds as an example of genes not being able to do anything by themselves: Buy a package of flower seeds. They contain the genes to make flowers. If you leave them in the package, what happens? Nothing happens. They need to be planted in the proper environment. That calls for good soil, the right amount of water and plenty of sun (usually full sun). Try planting them in full shade, poor soil with insuffcient water and see if the genes give you any flowers. Most likely you'll get a stunted plant with little or no flowers at all.

Well, Grandma has been vindicated then.

I wasn't saying that my father's condition was caused by his genes. I said he had a congenital birth defect. His relatives lived to ripe old ages.
No doubt it was that her body was depleted from all the pregnancies.

What I've been trying to say all along is that not all health issues can be corrected via diet; in my dad's case,he was born with a congenital heart defect ; it actually kept him out of World War 1 and World War II.

They didn't do corrective surgery in those days; nor did they treat it with stents, drugs, you name it. Actually, he didn't have his first heart attack until I was an older teenager. On his death certificate it says enlarged heart and atherosclerosis which is hardening of the arteries.

I know what he ate and it was very healthy compared to what people eat today. After dinner, an occasional treat was a slice of cantalupe or a peach in season. In the winter he liked a few walnuts or chestnuts.........definitely a tangerine or an orange in the evening. He was thin his entire life.

They didn't do the whoppers and potato chips , etc.
I've no recollection of him eating sweets.........maybe at a wedding.

All food was made from scratch in those days.......not nuked in the microwave.

He had to have a green salad every evening before supper.
No bottled dressings. Plain red wine vinegar mixed with olive oil.....drizzled on, not swimming in the stuff.

Fruit was the dessert of choice. Lots of veggies.......and if you are Italian you know that Italian men can cook........they were taught by their mothers, even if there were a slew of sisters around.

He soaked his own beans for bean soups with escarole.
He did his fresh cod fish with no breading ; just broiled in the oven with a topping of crushed tomatoes and basil, garlic, etc.

They did like their seafood......but it was prepared simply as I recall.
Not deep fried as everyone enjoys it today.

They NEVER ate butter on their peasant breads.

Believe it or not, we never even had PIZZA in our house.
He always said that the American pizza was not the real pizza like Napoli (Naples).....which would be deep dish, probably like Chicago pizza.
My first pizza was as a teen , out with friends, when we'd get a slice at a pizzaria.

He walked all over the city.

In his case, it was a birth defect........as he was told as a young man.
A congenital heart defect.

As far as the genetic testing........it can be incorrect at times.

Case in point: Someone close was tested for the ALB-27 gene and came out POSITIVE. Iritis, ankylosing spondylitis, (back issues), etc. etc.
He claims NOT to have the worse case scenario of any of that.....

A first cousin of his decided to get tested as he was doctoring for years and his back pain was getting worse and worse.........he , on the other hand, tested NEGATIVE for the ALB-27 gene /ankylosing spondylitis/iritis, etc..........whereas his symptoms point to A.S. Go figure. These tests were all done at the hospital.
The cousin finally had to have cauterization done.........he was on heavy duty pain meds and the body was passed around to a myriad of doctors.
His pain was excruciating. Every known modern treatment, short of surgery, was done to his back over several years........nothing worked for long.

Lupus runs in this family as well........with symptoms similar to arthritis.
Lupus is an auto immune disease as you know.

Neither Systemic Lupus nor Discoid Lupus is related to dietary preferences.

I agree with you that healthy foods are the best way to go.
But I do know a lot of people who followed a wonderful lifelong eating plan of healthful foods.........and still died young or got cancer.

Yes, I remember the DDT..........the trucks would actually come down the streets and spray...........also people would spray the screens in the bedrooms.

I also know for a fact that the "early Xrays" did more harm than good to those who were on the receiving end...........

This is what I mean by "it's not that cut and dried" or that simple , as in eating the right foods.

My best childhood friend died of Systemic Lupus at age 39, having been diagnosed at age 19.........her husband called me on New Year's Day to say that she had expired on the examining table when he rushed her to the emergency room. She was on borrowed time from 19 to 39. As children and young adults, she ate very simply.........there were NO JUNK FOODS BACK THEN. Her lupus was not caused nor helped by her food choices.

The Prednisone also did a number on her.......causing psychotic episodes, which they warned about.

I've seen "recent" current friends (now deceased) also get Prednisone in the hospital for various lung diseases.......and end up dead.
Nurses told me that it "sometimes happens" with Prednisone........it's a risk they have to take. These were people late 40's, and 50.

My husband had childhood friends who died of brain tumors....as young teens. Maybe the DDT???? This was before "drive up fast food" places.

p.s.
As far as others who proclaim happy thoughts and a good mindset is the way to go..........(I'm simplifying it here),
how would they explain very young children or teens in the cancer wards today?

If you have had children and grandchildren, you will know that children are the most joyful happy innocent positive creatures around..............

An innocent beautiful baby in a cancer treatment facility? What negative thoughts did that little one have?

I would be more prone to believe firstly that reincarnation** played a role in their illness
...........than I would think that their negative thoughts brought upon their ill fortune.....and disease.
Children are wonderfully happy little people..........who bring joy to everyone around.

**KARMA

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Well, Grandma has been vindicated then.

I wasn't saying that my father's condition was caused by his genes. I said he had a congenital birth defect. His relatives lived to ripe old ages.
No doubt it was that her body was depleted from all the pregnancies.

What I've been trying to say all along is that not all health issues can be corrected via diet; in my dad's case,he was born with a congenital heart defect ; it actually kept him out of World War 1 and World War II.

They didn't do corrective surgery in those days; nor did they treat it with stents, drugs, you name it. Actually, he didn't have his first heart attack until I was an older teenager. On his death certificate it says enlarged heart and atherosclerosis which is hardening of the arteries.

I know what he ate and it was very healthy compared to what people eat today. After dinner, an occasional treat was a slice of cantalupe or a peach in season. In the winter he liked a few walnuts or chestnuts.........definitely a tangerine or an orange in the evening. He was thin his entire life.

They didn't do the whoppers and potato chips , etc.
I've no recollection of him eating sweets.........maybe at a wedding.

All food was made from scratch in those days.......not nuked in the microwave.

He had to have a green salad every evening before supper.
No bottled dressings. Plain red wine vinegar mixed with olive oil.....drizzled on, not swimming in the stuff.

Fruit was the dessert of choice. Lots of veggies.......and if you are Italian you know that Italian men can cook........they were taught by their mothers, even if there were a slew of sisters around.

He soaked his own beans for bean soups with escarole.
He did his fresh cod fish with no breading ; just broiled in the oven with a topping of crushed tomatoes and basil, garlic, etc.

They did like their seafood......but it was prepared simply as I recall.
Not deep fried as everyone enjoys it today.

They NEVER ate butter on their peasant breads.

Believe it or not, we never even had PIZZA in our house.
He always said that the American pizza was not the real pizza like Napoli (Naples).....which would be deep dish, probably like Chicago pizza.
My first pizza was as a teen , out with friends, when we'd get a slice at a pizzaria.

He walked all over the city.

In his case, it was a birth defect........as he was told as a young man.
A congenital heart defect.

As far as the genetic testing........it can be incorrect at times.

Case in point: Someone close was tested for the ALB-27 gene and came out POSITIVE. Iritis, ankylosing spondylitis, (back issues), etc. etc.
He claims NOT to have the worse case scenario of any of that.....

A first cousin of his decided to get tested as he was doctoring for years and his back pain was getting worse and worse.........he , on the other hand, tested NEGATIVE for the ALB-27 gene /ankylosing spondylitis/iritis, etc..........whereas his symptoms point to A.S. Go figure. These tests were all done at the hospital.
The cousin finally had to have cauterization done.........he was on heavy duty pain meds and the body was passed around to a myriad of doctors.
His pain was excruciating. Every known modern treatment, short of surgery, was done to his back over several years........nothing worked for long.

Lupus runs in this family as well........with symptoms similar to arthritis.
Lupus is an auto immune disease as you know.

Neither Systemic Lupus nor Discoid Lupus is related to dietary preferences.

I agree with you that healthy foods are the best way to go.
But I do know a lot of people who followed a wonderful lifelong eating plan of healthful foods.........and still died young or got cancer.

Yes, I remember the DDT..........the trucks would actually come down the streets and spray...........also people would spray the screens in the bedrooms.

I also know for a fact that the "early Xrays" did more harm than good to those who were on the receiving end...........

This is what I mean by "it's not that cut and dried" or that simple , as in eating the right foods.

My best childhood friend died of Systemic Lupus at age 39, having been diagnosed at age 19.........her husband called me on New Year's Day to say that she had expired on the examining table when he rushed her to the emergency room. She was on borrowed time from 19 to 39. As children and young adults, she ate very simply.........there were NO JUNK FOODS BACK THEN. Her lupus was not caused nor helped by her food choices.

The Prednisone also did a number on her.......causing psychotic episodes, which they warned about.

I've seen "recent" current friends (now deceased) also get Prednisone in the hospital for various lung diseases.......and end up dead.
Nurses told me that it "sometimes happens" with Prednisone........it's a risk they have to take. These were people late 40's, and 50.

My husband had childhood friends who died of brain tumors....as young teens. Maybe the DDT???? This was before "drive up fast food" places.

p.s.
As far as others who proclaim happy thoughts and a good mindset is the way to go..........(I'm simplifying it here),
how would they explain very young children or teens in the cancer wards today?

If you have had children and grandchildren, you will know that children are the most joyful happy innocent positive creatures around..............

An innocent beautiful baby in a cancer treatment facility? What negative thoughts did that little one have?

I would be more prone to believe firstly that reincarnation** played a role in their illness
...........than I would think that their negative thoughts brought upon their ill fortune.....and disease.
Children are wonderfully happy little people..........who bring joy to everyone around.

**KARMA

And the reason for all of these very long explanations is because you think someone said, "eat a certain diet (perhaps vegan) and you will have a 100% guarantee that you'll live a long healthy life?" The problem is: No one ever said anything like that.

[jimbo2012]

Houston Texans running back Arian Foster is the latest pro athlete to begin eating vegan – eating only plant-based food to the exclusion of meat and dairy.

The exceptional NFL star made the public announcement via his Twitter account on the evening of July 5, 2012 tweeting, “Officially a vegan now. We'll see how this goes. But week one down. So far, so good. Feels wonderful.” Apparently since then, Foster has become a fan of the vegan documentary Forks Over Knives by tweeting just a couple days later on July 7, 2012, “Thank you! And yes I have, great film.
RT @ForksOverKnives: Good luck @ArianFoster w/ ‪#vegan‬ ‪#diet‬! Have you seen Forks Over Knives?”

Foster is the latest professional athlete to publicly announce their change from eating meat and dairy to eating only plant-based foods. It could be the evolution of man or the influence of good science or the explosion of interest in the Engine 2 Diet which has manly men changing over to a healthier way of eating.


In fact the list of vegan and vegetarian athletes is growing and many are at the top of their game. We wrote a few months ago about Lance Armstrong’s conversion to eating mostly vegan and how it is benefiting him. Brendan Brazier is a professional Ironman triathlete who promotes his Vega superfood powder combination which is vegan and he has had a strong hand in devising its formulation to get the highest quality nutrient dense food available. Keith Holmes is a championship middleweight boxer who credits his eating vegan for being an integral part of his success. Scott Jurek is a Badwater ultramarathoner record holder and even wrote a book about his running and his veganism. No one would mistake Jon Hinds, founder of the Monkey Bar Gym and strength consultant to the NBA and NFL as being a wuss, but he is a hardcore vegan and wouldn’t think of eating any other way to gain the strength or physique he desires. Mike Tyson is another vegan who could knock your lights out and could not be mistaken for the myth vegan men are weak, skinny and without muscle.

The Engine 2 Diet - Overview with Results from the 2nd Medical Study - YouTube
(This video was produced for the publication of the Engine 2 Diet book and covers the basics of the Engine 2 Plant Strong approach. You'll also see some of the amazing results from the 2nd medical study. These results are fairly typical for the 28 day challenge.)



There are hundreds more individuals who make their living by their looks, talents and/or strength who credit their eating vegan as a main component of their overall health. Some do it to help cure their cancer, like Larry Hagman.
Others change over to eating vegan because they view eating animals is repulsive to them. Many do it based on the building science that eating dairy and meat may not be the healthiest way for them to live.

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Bill Clinton's Story.
From Couch Potato & Junk Food Aficionado to Plant-Based Booster

In spite of having the best health care from the country's top physicians, Clinton still ended up with quadruple bypasses, two stents, & medication. And even Clinton knew he was heading into trouble if he didn't do something serious about changing his diet.
Clinton had the trifecta of heart disease risk: he had a family history of heart disease, he was overweight & out-of-shape, and he was eating all the wrong foods.
When Clinton's stents failed in February of 2010, his doctor said, "This isn't a result of diet or exercise--it's a mechanical failure of stents." But statins, stents, & the Mediterranean Diet aren't always enough to stop heart disease. And moderation & pharmaceuticals aren't enough to stop the onslaught of atherosclerosis.
Last year Clinton decided to hit the books & read what the medical literature had to say about preventing and reversing heart disease through diet. He discovered that there is only one way to do this--a strict plant-based diet loaded with green leafy vegetables, and without meat, chicken, fish, dairy, or added oils.
The two physicians who pioneered this type of treatment are Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn, Jr. and Dr. Dean Ornish. With nothing to lose, Clinton decided to conduct his own personal clinical trial.
For over a year he's been eating 100% plant-based.
No dairy, no meat, no fish, and almost no oil.

First of all, Clinton unabashedly says, "I like the stuff I eat. And if anything, I'm getting stricter about my diet as time goes on." He's lost 27 pounds, all his blood tests are good, he has more energy, needs less sleep, and feels great. He's almost down to his lowest weight since high school--185 pounds.

The Heart Attack Proof Diet

Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn, Jr. has been teaching patients to prevent & reverse heart disease through a plant-based no-oil diet since 1985.

According to Esselstyn, heart disease is a food-borne illness, and one's risk of having a heart attack is not sealed in stone by one's family history or genetics. If you change what you eat--and you can make yourself heart-attack proof. Click here to learn more.

Esselstyn looked at the diets of indigenous people around the world. In the communities where no heart disease existed, it turned out that the people were eating a mostly plant-based low-fat diet: The Papua New Guinea highlanders, the Tarahumara Indians of Mexico, and some rural Chinese.

What do you eat on this diet?

Vegetables-lots of green leafy ones to restore & heal the endothelial lining of your blood vessels. Kale, Swiss Chard, Cilantro, Collards, Bok Choy, Parsley, Spinach, Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, Cauliflower
Whole fruit
Whole grains
Beans/Legumes; "light" tofu--cautious use of low-fat soy meat substitutes. Many are highly processed, high-fat junk food.

Gupta followed up with his own research, checking the medical literature for sound studies on the use of plant-based diets to prevent & reverse heart disease. He was impressed with Dr. Esselstyn's research at the Cleveland Clinic.

5 years later no patients who followed the diet had another cardiovascular event
Three-quarters of Esselstyn's patients saw their blockages reduced.
Dr. Erin Michos, a cardiologist at the Ciccarone Center for the Prevention of Heart Disease at Johns Hopkins University, says diet can reverse heart disease, but some people just aren't willing to make the necessary changes.
Gupta points out that Dr. Esselstyn's diet prescription runs counter to the powerful lobbies of the meat, dairy, & egg industries--not to mention our fast-food culture. Could that be another reason that it hasn't gone mainstream?

Most doctors & their families eat meat themselves, making them less likely to offer a plant-based diet as a prescription to prevent heart disease.

Two Patients Who Chose Diet Over Surgery to Prevent Another Heart Attack

The 41 year-old Male

He didn't smoke, was in good shape, and ate well. His was a case of bad genes.

At age 31 he already had eight stents placed in his arteries. At age 41 he had four more.

Clearly, stents weren't working for him. He decided to contact Dr. Esselstyn after learning about his successes last September through Wolf Blitzer's CNN interview.

No surprise that his doctors thought Esselstyn's diet was too extreme. "Unnecessary," they told him. But after having multiple stents he was losing confidence in their advice.

Next Step. The Esselstyn Diet.

He attended Dr. Esselstyn's one day session at the Cleveland Clinic in December 2010 and has religiously followed the diet since then. (Learn more here: "What I Learned From Dr. Caldwell and Ann Esselstyn's Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease "School")

Since December Dr. Esselstyn's patient has lost 48 pounds.

Last June, before changing his diet, his cholesterol was total of 208, LDL of 93, HDL of 41, and triglycerides of 368.

His most recent test results are: total cholesterol of 89, LDL of 19, HDL of 53, and triglycerides of 83.

The transformation is nothing short of amazing.

This CNN article wasn't part of Gupta's documentary, but part of series of articles leading up to show. Don't miss reading the entire inspirational story here.

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