[jimbo2012]

Les,

Well you can very easily in fact with minimal exercise.

The hard part is will power.

A vegan or even vegetarian diet will do the weight part.

The elimination of oil yes oil (any & all types) will eliminate all soft plaque in the arteries.

But I believe I posted to you before about that.

rent or buy a copy of "Forks over Knives" if the basics of that dvd are followed it can change your heath dramatically, you will lose the weight you wish to, your arteries will open up in a few months not years.

Drop BP if high cut down on the drugs you may be taking with all their wonderful side effects.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

It doesn't mean that all exercise is bad, within certain limits. We need to maintain good muscle tone and bone health etc.. But remember when athletes used to say, "no pain, no gain"? That's excessive and excessive, stressful, exercise can cause one to produce cortisol. So they may be doing more harm than good.

Speaking of research, I just did some. Sometimes, in order to illustrate a point, it helps to look for an exagerated example. So here's what I did: I just did an online search to find the average life expectancy of an elite athlete. The average elite athlete will die by the age of 67. That should tell you something about excessive exercising.

I once had an online chat with an elite athlete who was training for the olympics. She said she was burning between 6 and 7 thousand calories per day. That's not uncommon and it could be even higher for some athletes.

How about another statistic: NFL players have an average life expectancy of 58.

Let me know if you need more research and I'll see what I can do.

I can see your point but it would be unwise for any of us to limit our exercise. I don't think many people in TV get TOO much. Like everything else in the world only the top 1/10 of 1% are considered elite in any endeavor.

[Golfingnut]

If you eat 1000 calories per day, even if every bite is fried you will lose weight.
If you eat 5000 calories per day, even if every bite is healthy, you will gain weight.

OR

Over eat = gain weight
Under eat = lose weight

It is not complicated

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

I don't think many people in TV get TOO much. .

Now that's funny

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by scroll

My son is a MD and PHD and teaching professor at the University of Pennsylvania and has reviewed this article. Weight loss or gain is 99.9 percent dependent on caloric intake and caloric burn. There are some thyroid issues and a few rare diseases that represent the other one tenth of one percent. All this study proves is that a very specific genes processes fat differently and has nothing to due with weight gain or loss. There was no double blind study done to show any substantial direct correlation that obese people burn fat differently. The study is intended to make dietitians aware of this but has no real ah ha validity. If you want to loss weight eat less or burn more calories with exercise.

[shcisamax]

Jimbo: Are you saying olive oil, and the others are bad? Even when uncooked? So is it just lemon juice on the salad?

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

Jimbo: Are you saying olive oil, and the others are bad? Even when uncooked? So is it just lemon juice on the salad?

Salad - balsamic vinegar in many varieties but not vinegarette
that has oil!

Yes bad for two reasons, it will not be beneficial to weight loss because of it 99% fat content, also it is a processed product.

Secondly, it irritates the linings of the blood vessels specifically the endothelium lining, our bodies natural response to this irritation is to have plaque act as band-aid to heal it, but it in fact doesn't plaque once attached begets more plaque.
That is the beginning of clogged blood vessels, it may take 10 years but most (NOT ALL) may develop coronary/stroke issues weather they know it or not.

The reality is that oils are extremely low in terms of nutritive value. They contain no fiber, no minerals and are 100% fat calories. Both the mono unsaturated and saturated fat contained in oils is harmful to the endothelium, the innermost lining of the artery, and that injury is the gateway to vascular disease. It doesn't matter whether it's olive oil, corn oil, coconut oil, canola oil, or any other kind. Avoid ALL oil.
See this for more from heart attack proof.

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Did you know sugar has less calories!

With over 4,000 calories per pound, olive oil is far more calorie dense than even pure refined sugar, which has 1,725 calories per pound. Because of its extremely high calorie density, adding olive oil to any food or meal will dramatically increase its calorie density.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

I can see your point but it would be unwise for any of us to limit our exercise. I don't think many people in TV get TOO much. Like everything else in the world only the top 1/10 of 1% are considered elite in any endeavor.

Yes, advice for the average Villager would likely be somewhat different because the average person is either overweight or carrying more weight than what is considered to be ideal for maximum health and longevity.

If a person needs more than moderate exercise in order to maintain or lose weight, does it not indicate some sort of poor judgement or eating disorder, like eating too much of the wrong foods? In which case they are burning more calories than what they need to burn. Exercising to maintain muscle tone and bone mass doesn't require all that much effort and won't raise the metabolism all that much.

But if someone is eating a less than ideal diet, which the average person does, they need to exercise more to raise their metabolism to burn off the excess calories and fat. And that works against the ideal state needed for maximum longevity: Burn less, live longer.

I gave the example of elite athletes living shorter lives because they burn excessive amounts of calories. But here's another example and this one doesn't require being an elite athlete: I think most people have heard that small dogs live longer than big dogs. The reason: Big dogs have to consume and burn more calories in order to maintain their bigger body size. Isn't that a better example?

Here's another one: The average women has a longer life expectancy than the average man. And we all know that men, on average, are bigger and taller than women. Thus, they burn more calories.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

If you eat 1000 calories per day, even if every bite is fried you will lose weight.
If you eat 5000 calories per day, even if every bite is healthy, you will gain weight.

OR

Over eat = gain weight
Under eat = lose weight

It is not complicated

I get what you mean but I have to dissagree somewhat: Your first example of the 1000 calorie diet of fried foods is an example of a very nutrient-poor diet. You would lose weight but at what cost to your health? Isn't that what they call, "throwing the baby out with the bath water?"

Your second example, of eating 5000 calories per day, where every bite is healthy, is better. However, it's not very likely that you would consume too many calories. If your healthy diet consists of lots of fresh, non-starchy fruits, vegetables, legumes, whole grains, nuts, and seeds, the bulk from the fiber would make you feel stuffed and would likely stop you from eating excessive amounts of calories. Although, I can see where someone could sabotage this diet by concentrating mostly on starches and nuts. You would need to place a sensibile limit on those two items in order not to sabotage the healthy diet.

[Vernster]

Originally Posted by scroll

My son is a MD and PHD and teaching professor at the University of Pennsylvania and has reviewed this article. Weight loss or gain is 99.9 percent dependent on caloric intake and caloric burn. There are some thyroid issues and a few rare diseases that represent the other one tenth of one percent. All this study proves is that a very specific genes processes fat differently and has nothing to due with weight gain or loss. There was no double blind study done to show any substantial direct correlation that obese people burn fat differently. The study is intended to make dietitians aware of this but has no real ah ha validity. If you want to loss weight eat less or burn more calories with exercise.

I agree.