[blueash]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

You must not be aware of what is going on in China.
EVERYONE has been forced to vaccinate yet 250 million contracted covid just in December.
Leaked notes from Chinese health officials estimate 250 million Covid-19 infections in December: reports | CNN

China has not forced EVERYONE to vaccinate. And the vaccine it is using is far less effective than those we are using. Sumter County has a higher vaccine uptake than China.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

So 80 million are not vaccinated (out of a population of 1.4 billion). Yet 250 million have contracted covid in the last 20 days.

Their vaccine is terrible.

[Dlpdo]

Originally Posted by Koapaka

I am amazed no one even considered the obvious given the age group that most of these deaths are occurring in. Drugs pouring across our borders that are killing more people per year than the Vietnam war did. In a SINGLE year, yet no one seems interested in addressing or even acknowledging this issue.
Drug overdoses killed more Americans last year than the Vietnam War - CBS News

Nobody is considering it because it has nothing to do with the numbers. The number of Americans that died per year in the war wouldn’t even cause a blip in the statistics

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

You must not be aware of what is going on in China.
EVERYONE has been forced to vaccinate yet 250 million contracted covid just in December.
Leaked notes from Chinese health officials estimate 250 million Covid-19 infections in December: reports | CNN

There was a singular vaccine mandate in Beijing that lasted two days. It was so unpopular they cancelled it.

But the country was under a very strict lockdown, which allowed it to immobilize the virus, preventing it from spreading. They recently lifted that lockdown - and all those UNvaccinated people, who had no opportunity to become immune to the virus because of the lockdown - ended up with COVID.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Today the rate of Covid deaths is VASTLY lower than BEFORE the vaccines. And those dying today (and same as earlier) are the UN-vaxxed people that refused to get the vaccines. And the MOST deaths are in states with the lowest vaccine acceptance.
........This is also PROVEN by the fact that the countries with the MOST vaccine acceptance have the least covid cases and deaths.

Wrong...

COVID No Longer 'Pandemic of the Unvaccinated'

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by blueash

Evidence please. List about how many gunshot deaths you believe were misclassified as Covid deaths? You might need to rethink, or maybe just THINK, about whether you are getting good data and learning how to interpret that data. See above posts with real data. Do you believe every country in the world is misclassifying Covid deaths in an attempt to make some bizarre political point?

The sec Health in Illinois stated that ANY death where there was a positive covid test was considered a covid death. The CDC came out and said the same...

CDC coding error led to overcount of 72,000 Covid deaths | Coronavirus | The Guardian

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by blueash

"Except it is the vaxx'ed people who are now dying at a greater rate."

A greater rate than what? Are they dying at a greater rate than the unvaccinated. No they are not. Math is hard. Understanding statistics is beyond the grasp of too many people.

If 95% of people wear seat belts and seat belts save 1/2 the lives of those who would otherwise die in crashes... consider the following.
There are 1000 crashes which would be fatal with no seat belt. Using our assumption, 950 of those crashes had seat belt wearers. As we save 1/2 the lives, we have 475 belt wearers who die [1/2 of 950] and we have only 50 non belt wearers who die. Proof in your world that people who wear seat belts "are dying at a greater rate"

That is what you are doing.

Nope. read the link I provided...

[tuccillo]

Yes, you are spot on. As you approach 100% vaccination rate then you will approach 100% of those who die from COVID have been vaccinated. In 2022, we achieved a high enough vaccination rate (nearly 90%) that a majority of those who died were actually vaccinated. It is the sort of statistic that doesn't really relay any sort of useful information. This reminds of the efficacy rates associated with the COVID vaccines when they first came out. I believe the statistic was misunderstood, and misused, by many people.

Originally Posted by blueash

"Except it is the vaxx'ed people who are now dying at a greater rate."

A greater rate than what? Are they dying at a greater rate than the unvaccinated. No they are not. Math is hard. Understanding statistics is beyond the grasp of too many people.

If 95% of people wear seat belts and seat belts save 1/2 the lives of those who would otherwise die in crashes... consider the following.
There are 1000 crashes which would be fatal with no seat belt. Using our assumption, 950 of those crashes had seat belt wearers. As we save 1/2 the lives, we have 475 belt wearers who die [1/2 of 950] and we have only 50 non belt wearers who die. Proof in your world that people who wear seat belts "are dying at a greater rate"

That is what you are doing.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dlpdo

Nobody is considering it because it has nothing to do with the numbers. The number of Americans that died per year in the war wouldn’t even cause a blip in the statistics

Fentanyl overdoses account for about 40% of the decrease in population since 1996. Most of the rest is from Covid. That is what the thread is about. It is important.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Wrong...

COVID No Longer 'Pandemic of the Unvaccinated'

It is easy to say that I am "wrong" and that might be gratification in itself. But, I can offer an analysis that will show that I am RIGHT. Also, an interested person that wanted to decide who was correct could just refer to Blue Ash's excellent prior post, which will provide the answer to that question and ACTUALLY to ANY other relevant question.

The 1st paragraph in that link can be deceptive because.......one must remember and keep in mind that Covid DEATHS are directly proportional to AGE. That is older people are more LIKELY to die from Covid. Another fact is that NO vaccination shot has EVER been 100% effective in preventing disease or death from that disease.
.........Fact.......Older people over 60 read that they were more susceptible to dying of Covid - young people hardly at all, so the older people GOT the vaccine and booster (at least the smart ones)
......OK......need to follow closely now........The link's VERY 1st sentence says "for the 1st time, the majority of US people dying from Covid have been vaccinated. I am sure that is TRUE...........because the problem is that the link is NOT comparing EQUAL AGE populations. Obviously, older people are dying more than the young general population, which are composed of young people that are RARELY killed by Covid.

Older people die more from ANY disease than younger people. so, ALL that the link's 1st sentence really says is that EVEN WITH THE VACCINATIONS, older people are dying more FROM Covid than younger people WITHOUT the vaccine ARE DYING from Covid - because younger people have some type of natural immunity that older people do NOT have.

The link's last paragraph is a good summary. "if all states achieved the same vaccine LEVEL as Vermont, there would be a greater relative protection in the US from severe Covid disease." That last paragraph, basically, gives people the valuable advice to GET their shots and boosters and DISREGARD the anti-vaccine propaganda !

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Yes, you are spot on. As you approach 100% vaccination rate then you will approach 100% of those who die from COVID have been vaccinated. In 2022, we achieved a high enough vaccination rate (nearly 90%) that a majority of those who died were actually vaccinated. It is the sort of statistic that doesn't really relay any sort of useful information. This reminds of the efficacy rates associated with the COVID vaccines when they first came out. I believe the statistic was misunderstood, and misused, by many people.

I agree !!!!!!!

[tuccillo]

I’m glad.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I agree !!!!!!!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It is easy to say that I am "wrong" and that might be gratification in itself. But, I can offer an analysis that will show that I am RIGHT. Also, an interested person that wanted to decide who was correct could just refer to Blue Ash's excellent prior post, which will provide the answer to that question and ACTUALLY to ANY other relevant question.

The 1st paragraph in that link can be deceptive because.......one must remember and keep in mind that Covid DEATHS are directly proportional to AGE. That is older people are more LIKELY to die from Covid. Another fact is that NO vaccination shot has EVER been 100% effective in preventing disease or death from that disease.
.........Fact.......Older people over 60 read that they were more susceptible to dying of Covid - young people hardly at all, so the older people GOT the vaccine and booster (at least the smart ones)
......OK......need to follow closely now........The link's VERY 1st sentence says "for the 1st time, the majority of US people dying from Covid have been vaccinated. I am sure that is TRUE...........because the problem is that the link is NOT comparing EQUAL AGE populations. Obviously, older people are dying more than the young general population, which are composed of young people that are RARELY killed by Covid.

Older people die more from ANY disease than younger people. so, ALL that the link's 1st sentence really says is that EVEN WITH THE VACCINATIONS, older people are dying more FROM Covid than younger people WITHOUT the vaccine ARE DYING from Covid - because younger people have some type of natural immunity that older people do NOT have.

The link's last paragraph is a good summary. "if all states achieved the same vaccine LEVEL as Vermont, there would be a greater relative protection in the US from severe Covid disease." That last paragraph, basically, gives people the valuable advice to GET their shots and boosters and DISREGARD the anti-vaccine propaganda !

[chrissy2231]

Originally Posted by Koapaka

Whatever could be the problem???


US life expectancy continues to fall, erasing 25 years of health gains

OBESITY! It's rampant and being encouraged by showing immense women in fashion ads.

[melpetezrinski]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Except it is the vaxx'ed people who are now dying at a greater rate...

OK, I'll bite.

89% of those dying are over 65.
94% of those over 65 have received 1 shot.

SMH