[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The vaccine does NOT give a person immunity from CV. Rather, it gives a person a 95% chance of not being hospitalized and having a significantly bad experience there. It makes you immune against death from CV and also a large hospital bill.

I think you need to look up how vaccine immunity actually works!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I think you need to look up how vaccine immunity actually works!

Agree....I recall when the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were initially being developed, there was euphoria in the pharma community when they discovered the virus was "neutralized". This neutralization made the virus inactive and unable to replicate itself. Without that activity going on, humans could not become infected with the virus.

That is my take-away from reading several articles about the mRNA vaccines. Is this correct?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I always pt on a mask when I go inside of a public building. But I do go to the squares without a mask and try to stay six feet away from people. I believe that it's very difficult to catch this virus out doors.

Most of the times I've been to the squares, they are not all that crowded. Shoulder to shoulder is a huge exaggeration. Occasionally, when one of the more popular bands the square will be a bit more crowded and I'll try to find a spot where I can be alone or I'll leave.

One of the things that it perplexing to me is that the states that have the most stringent rules about stating indoors and closing businesses have had much higher infection rates than states like Florida that are open with fewer restrictions. Some say that the reason those states have more stringent rules is that they had more cases. But the number of cases since the closing down of those states and the opening of Florida is lower in Florida.

It seems that all of the steps being taken that are killing businesses and hurting working people are not working.

Some people have such strong belief in certain things that when they don't work, they insist that we aren't doing enough of them. So when we do more and they still don't work, they keep insisting that they are right and we need to do even more. I believe that these people believe so strongly that their idea is right that they refuse to believe facts presented.

Bottom line is that we all have to be careful but within reason. When people can't go to work and can't feed their family or lose their house it can be a devastating as getting this virus. There needs to be a balance and I think that Florida has gotten it right.

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Agree....I recall when the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were initially being developed, there was euphoria in the pharma community when they discovered the virus was "neutralized". This neutralization made the virus inactive and unable to replicate itself. Without that activity going on, humans could not become infected with the virus.

That is my take-away from reading several articles about the mRNA vaccines. Is this correct?

The virus is nothing more than a chain of proteins. It's a snippet of biological code. All that it does is link with your cells and reprogram them to make more of itself and in the process your other systems become up or down regulated. The mis-regulation is what causes all the havoc.

The virus doesn't replicate itself. It cannot. You replicate the virus for the virus.

The Vaccine simply tells your body what to look for and neutralize it. In this case, the MRNA Vaccine is like a virus in that it reprograms your own cells to produce a spike protein that looks just like the virus.

Your body sees it, realizes it's not suppose to be there and starts to attack it. Since the spike protein you created doesn't do anything but make an appearance, you don't get sick. It trains your system what to look for.

This primarily done via t-cells. Killer t-cells come along and drop cytotoxins all over the viruses it spots. It's cellular level cyanide. There are also macrophages which are big blobs. They bump into viruses and surround them, engulf them like the blob and once inside they dissolve them.

With enough of an immune response, memory t-cells are created. These are what give you long lasting immunity. A new invader is spotted, if it matches what's in the "memory bank", anti-bodies for that particular pathogen are produced rapidly.

I'm vastly over simplifying the process here, but that's the gist of it.

The vaccine doesn't make you partially immune. It either works or it doesn't. It seems to work for about 95% of the people. If you are in the 95%, you're immune. You won't get a weak case, you simply won't get any case. You won't make more virus, you won't pass it on to anyone else.

The only slight issue here is the immune response in the nasopharynx(back of the nose). It is a bit on the "outside" so to speak and the immune response can be slower here. You theoretically could have an active infection here that may take some time to resolve. The idea is that maybe you could shed enough virus to still infect others but internally, in areas, like the lungs with tons of blood flow, your immune system will shut down any infection quickly. This is why they keep talking about wearing masks and whatever long after you are immune. It's a stretch, there simply isn't any data one way or another.

The amount of virus shed by someone who is fully infected with a lung full of infection is probably several orders of magnitude greater than what can be made in the nose. The likelihood that nasopharyngeal infection in a vaccinated person is enough to infect others is very very low. It's not zero though.

[DeanFL]

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[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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Paraphrasing the information in the clipping: Florida has reserved enough doses to provide the second shots and that is why they haven't already used all that have been provided.

This is good news, it is just a shame it has taken so long to hear. At least those with first shots can have confidence they will be able to get their second.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

They are scheduling Covid shots at Gainesville VA the number is 3525486000 ext 103755 for over 75 year old vets I just.called and I had 5 minute wait , I’m going Thursday but I could have gone tomorrow, the VA clinic in villages they said will have more vaccine Feb 10 I’m not taking chances she did say that they might fill up there schedule with younger ages

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Paraphrasing the information in the clipping: Florida has reserved enough doses to provide the second shots and that is why they haven't already used all that have been provided.

This is good news, it is just a shame it has taken so long to hear. At least those with first shots can have confidence they will be able to get their second.

What is also a big shame is why they cannot give us any idea when they will be able to vaccinate the rest of us on the self start list.

[Dgizzi]

And it won’t. If it hasn’t by now..

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Logic would say that we need to concentrate on our problems and control CV BEFORE we can get the economy back to normal. This thread began with what a science-based country like Germany is doing about the problem. They have shown more success in dealing with CV than in the US. They are closing down even MORE tightly as a scientific response to the more virulent CV mutation that they are experiencing. The US already has some of this variant and can expect more. Then the South African variant will be coming.

Florida and TV Land have reacted with an unscientific response to CV. It has opened its economy too much. Businesses need to react to this completely new paradigm. For example, restaurants could become takeout and delivery only. There is no reason for continuing the old system of indoor dining. Having a meal outside of your own home is not worth dying yourself and destabilizing society. The same thing applies to The entertainment at the squares and any proposed indoor concerts would be just playing into the hands of the CV monster. Things are no longer the SAME. We must get used to that IN THE SHORT TERM in order to HAVE a future of "back to NORMAL". Businesses MUST evolve to meet the new challenge or go bankrupt! If the average citizen spends their money to support dangerous activities and events they bear the responsibility when hospitals close and chaos takes over society. A dollar spent is a vote for destabilizing America and helping the VIRUS to spread OR giving up some temporary amusements for the return to a REAL healthy America. Stay at home, exercise, entertain yourself, watch TV, and Zoom with your friends and relatives. Do that for the future strength of your country!

IMO

Shut downs don’t work very well, California and NYC good example. The virus will never go away, so shut down for ever not going to work either. Only thing that’s going to work are the shot and people following guidelines of what has been learned so far. That will also never happen.

You keep giving the example of countries that have far fewer population than United States, naturally they may have fewer due to fewer population and what travel they have and restricted? I have to ask? If %#% hate Florida and United States so bad why not move to lands of peaches and cream with rainbow sunsets everyday?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

What is also a big shame is why they cannot give us any idea when they will be able to vaccinate the rest of us on the self start list.

We now can depend on 1,000,000 a day with 1,500,000 goal starting in February.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Germany intends to fight the CV on a NATIONWIDE basis - not an INDIVIDUAL basis. Is America right or is Germany correct?

Let’s see Germany about size of Texas?

[Jeanette179]

Very good. My thoughts exactly. 😊

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

We now can depend on 1,000,000 a day with 1,500,000 goal starting in February.

We have been promised 1M/day, we haven't seen it yet. Given that the promises of the recent past have not yet been realized, the 1M per day may be wishful thinking too. I hope not.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

We now can depend on 1,000,000 a day with 1,500,000 goal starting in February.

Depend huh. Exactly can we start depending on this?