[Jack65]

Originally Posted by Luggage

And freedom is often given up for the common good, has Spock said on Star Trek, the needs of the many outway the needs of the few.

Was that Spock or Stalin?

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by DaleDivine

Your body, your choice?
Not really, you're required to wear a seat belt aren't you?
No choice, wear it or get a ticket. Get vaccinated or get COVID.
You will pay the price eventually.
Please stay away from me.

Don't you have faith or confidence in your own vaccination? Why would you care if someone you do not know gets vaccinated or not, if you are safe from them?

[wildjac]

Originally Posted by Garywt

I just had my booster shot, doctor ordered. I have no issue with the shots. It still comes down to selfish people. The shot is for everyone you come in contact with and not just about you. If everyone would just care about others everyone would be vaccinated and Covid would not be on the rise. I have no problem if unvaccinated people are not allowed into restaurants, stores and any other indoor activities.

Opinions are like bowel movements............everybody has them!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Don't you have faith or confidence in your own vaccination? Why would you care if someone you do not know gets vaccinated or not, if you are safe from them?

Baiting again? NO ONE has said that the vaccination is 100% affective in preventing break through infections. And the more people that are not vaccinated the more likely new variants will spawn which may completely ignore the protection provided by the vaccination.

It has been said over and over WHY it is important for everyone that can be vaccinated to be vaccinated. But, that advice by the people that are actually experts, not self anointed experts, has been repeated ad nauseam, and yet this same question keeps getting posted. It becomes hard to take you seriously.

[asianthree]

Currently I am in a area that is now 32% vaccinated. So far no mandate for employees. Only have 1 week before we move on to much need time off, then take a look at retirement again, or travel again, with full knowledge if vaccine is required or not. Management Concern is there are so many open positions if employees don’t like mandate, one can go elsewhere and leave the facility with even less employees. Some facilities that are putting mandate in effect, also have ability to opt out with weekly testing.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Baiting again? NO ONE has said that the vaccination is 100% affective in preventing break through infections. And the more people that are not vaccinated the more likely new variants will spawn which may completely ignore the protection provided by the vaccination.

It has been said over and over WHY it is important for everyone that can be vaccinated to be vaccinated. But, that advice by the people that are actually experts, not self anointed experts, has been repeated ad nauseam, and yet this same question keeps getting posted. It becomes hard to take you seriously.

Sorry, I guess you did not get it. I said none of what you indicate. I responded to the poster that told the nonvaxxed person to stay away from them. I asked a simple question and you interjected with a diatribe of innuendoes.

Personally, just in case it interests you (and it seems to) I am vaccinated and have no problem with anyone vaxxed or nonvaxxed that comes near me, with or without a mask. I do not fear shadows or evil spirits or anything else that instills imaginative panic or hysteria, so I was just curious.

But thanks for your interest.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Sorry, I guess you did not get it. I said none of what you indicate. I responded to the poster that told the nonvaxxed person to stay away from them. I asked a simple question and you interjected with a diatribe of innuendoes.

Personally, just in case it interests you (and it seems to) I am vaccinated and have no problem with anyone vaxxed or nonvaxxed that comes near me, with or without a mask. I do not fear shadows or evil spirits or anything else that instills imaginative panic or hysteria, so I was just curious.

But thanks for your interest.

I am glad you are vaccinated, thank you. I am also glad you are not frightened by shadows or evil. That is a good thing.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by lkagele

First, Bosch is a great series. If you like police and/or mystery, watch it.

Second, the vaccines are turning out not to be nearly as effective as we were led to believe. Especially with the Delta variant. Even vaccinated people are contracting the disease and spreading it to others. Those people are more likely to survive the disease but how do you differentiate responsibility for 'collateral deaths' due to victims contracting the disease from unvaccinated people vs. vaccinated people?

It is easy to determine "responsibility". 90% plus of those hospitalized in Florida and other states are the UNvaccinated. I am sure that they WISH that they had taken the "responsibility" for themselves and others by getting VACCINATED! And if someone liked Bosch, they might try "Absentia".

[Babubhat]

I guess I have been wasting my time reading Harvard Law review for constitutional scholarship when i could just read this thread

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I think they call that socialism. Replace GOD with GOV and you get communism. Sorry, but REAL independent Americans will choose a few deaths over GOV control. And this has nothing to do with traffic laws, so please don't bother with that argument.

What Americans do voluntarily for their fellow man/woman is called charity. What the gov demands you do is called tyranny. Given a choice, Americans do the right thing and do not need a gov nanny demanding what the gov deems appropriate.

Americans DID have the choice to do the RIGHT thing in April and May of this year. Then, the frequency of weekly vaccinations slowed down, and now nationwide ONLY 53% are fully vaccinated. They did NOT do the right thing! Inaction, like ignoring the CV delta variant is like poking a GRIZZLE bear - that may not go Well!
It seems strange to glamorize American "liberties" while not showing empathy to actual Americans that have had their lives ruined by a disease that could have been controlled by July 2020.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Americans DID have the choice to do the RIGHT thing in April and May of this year. Then, the frequency of weekly vaccinations slowed down, and now nationwide ONLY 53% are fully vaccinated. They did NOT do the right thing! Inaction, like ignoring the CV delta variant is like poking a GRIZZLE bear - that may not go Well!
It seems strange to glamorize American "liberties" while not showing empathy to actual Americans that have had their lives ruined by a disease that could have been controlled by July 2020.

I disagree with the contents of this post

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by waterflower

You would love living in china. The rulers/controlers will tell you how to live your life. The big pharma industry has more lawsuits from injuries stemming from the toxic products. It is not about health, it is about profit. Research products that are approved by the FDA them proven to cause harm.Take responsibility for your health. Research who controls the health industry, who started it. There are cancer cures and we watch our love one die (500,000 yr). Most people who believe in the cdc & fda need to take the time to research if you truly care about humanity.

"There are cancer cures" .........really. That seems like a stretch of belief.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Americans DID have the choice to do the RIGHT thing in April and May of this year. Then, the frequency of weekly vaccinations slowed down, and now nationwide ONLY 53% are fully vaccinated. They did NOT do the right thing! Inaction, like ignoring the CV delta variant is like poking a GRIZZLE bear - that may not go Well!
It seems strange to glamorize American "liberties" while not showing empathy to actual Americans that have had their lives ruined by a disease that could have been controlled by July 2020.

The right thing??? HMMM......a real vaccine would be nice..........

Funny how all the vaccine makers came up with the same gene therapy mRna....fat chance.....no such thing as coincidence's, sorry.....

[Garywt]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Please stop calling people selfish. You have no clue why people make the decision they do with their life. Talk about selfish vaxx people running around spreading the virus because they think they are all covered.

Just be nice

From day one it is the same people who did not wear masks, would not keep their distance, continued to have parties etc. Because they do not think this is real they refuse to do the right thing so they are selfish. Maybe they are afraid but the do not care about others.

[Garywt]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

I understand how you feel, BUT.......how about those that cannot get vaccinated for one reason or another? How about those that have had Covid and have been advised by their doctors NOT to get vaccinated yet? No one should be making decisions on other's liberties. I agree that folks should think seriously about getting vaccinated in these difficult times. I do not believe in mandates at this time. If the death rate was higher, perhaps I would change my view. Unfortunately, there are many folks that are too weakly disciplined to make decisions for themselves and need the gov to run their lives and direct them like mindless zombies.

I agree that a small percentage of people might not be able to get the shots. I also think there are many that do not listen to their doctors. My life is in my doctors hands so I do everything I am told.