[Tbrazie]

Of course mandates are legal but this is another cheap shot article against conservatives most of whom are for vaccinations as am I. Why the hate?

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Your opinion. Some like gov control and some enjoy the freedom of controlling their own lives. Right now, at least we have the happy illusion of freedom.

There is a big difference between government control and public health /measures required for the common good. Your twisted version of freedom ends when it impacts others negatively. Getting your toga in a twist about wearing a mask is stupid and dangerous.

[KRMACK55]

There is no freedom the insipid control from within using fear lies and the constant drumbeat by CDC HHS and others.

[KRMACK55]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

I understand how you feel, BUT.......how about those that cannot get vaccinated for one reason or another? How about those that have had Covid and have been advised by their doctors NOT to get vaccinated yet? No one should be making decisions on other's liberties. I agree that folks should think seriously about getting vaccinated in these difficult times. I do not believe in mandates at this time. If the death rate was higher, perhaps I would change my view. Unfortunately, there are many folks that are too weakly disciplined to make decisions for themselves and need the gov to run their lives and direct them like mindless zombies.

Youre seeing the nanny state rise up in alleged healthcare education and public discourse. Generations after us will comply without critical thinking

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by Garywt

I just had my booster shot, doctor ordered. I have no issue with the shots. It still comes down to selfish people. The shot is for everyone you come in contact with and not just about you. If everyone would just care about others everyone would be vaccinated and Covid would not be on the rise. I have no problem if unvaccinated people are not allowed into restaurants, stores and any other indoor activities.

False. The shot (not a vaccine) has no effect on transmission whatsoever. It only (possibly) mitigates symptoms to lower hospital visits & deaths. But, vaccinated people can (and do) spread this thing like everyone else. So, the "not just about you" is complete BS. If you think the shot will keep you alive, get it. But, unvaccinated people pose no additional risk to others. I'm out and staying out. And, my lack of vaccination plays no role in whether you become exposed to the virus or not. Educate yourself.

Brighteon

https://www.house.mi.gov/MHRPublic/C...s,%20Ph.D..pdf

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Yup, think about the Baker Act. A person can be incarcerated if they are determined by doctors (medical experts) that they are a danger to themselves or others.

There are numerous other examples. So, we don't have mask and vaccine mandates because the politicians don't want to face the possible public backlash at the polls.

As it seems always for the past decade or so, politics and party are more important than public welfare.

I can relate to the Baker Act.
Several years ago the neighbor at the lake rented their cabin to a family. During this time, their 15yr old daughter was learning to drive. While she was backing out of the drive with her mother, she accidentally ran over their dog. It was a horrible scene. I heard the commotion, and ran over. The dog was not going to survive, and I told them to go get their father. I mistakenly reached to comfort the dog, and he bit my hand.

It wasn't a bad bite but it did draw blood. I went to the ER for stitches. The Dr. asked if the dog had its rabies shots. I said I did not know but it looked like a well cared for pet and I assumed it would. They told me in no uncertain terms to call them back ASAP because if it could not be confirmed the dog was vaccinated I would have to get the rabies shots.

I went home and the renters had packed up and left. I called the owner and explained I needed to get in touch with them.He gave me their number. They said they would verify with their vet, but seemed more concerned I would sue them.

Anyways, 2 days passed and The ER Dr. actually called me. I told him we were still checking. The next day the County Sheriff called! He told me if I couldn't verify the dog was vaccinated, and I didn't start my rabies shots, they would come and arrest me and bring me in for the shots. Turns out rabies can be transmitted human to human. The Sheriff quoted the Baker Act and I now posed a risk to others. WOW!!! Fortunately, we were able to locate the vet and confirm the dog was vaccinated. I was actually getting dressed to go to my doctor and start the rabies shots. I was very relieved.

[PJackpot]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Common, jeez.

NO it is NOT my opinion, it is LAW. Your angry ex-wife can get a few doctors to sign off on your being a danger to yourself and you are committed and you stay there until a doctor says you are no longer a danger.

There are literally hundreds of years of precedence in the same manner. And our legal system is based on precedence.

Fortunately for the rest of us who like the freedom to choose, politicians understand reality when it comes to ****ing off their constituents. Some times it seems, that's a good thing. Isn't it also funny how the "my body, my choice" crowd has no problem ripping a fetus to shreds, but wants to mandate a vaccine to "save lives".

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

False. The shot (not a vaccine) has no effect on transmission whatsoever. It only (possibly) mitigates symptoms to lower hospital visits & deaths. But, vaccinated people can (and do) spread this thing like everyone else. So, the "not just about you" is complete BS. If you think the shot will keep you alive, get it. But, unvaccinated people pose no additional risk to others. I'm out and staying out. And, my lack of vaccination plays no role in whether you become exposed to the virus or not. Educate yourself.

Brighteon

https://www.house.mi.gov/MHRPublic/C...s,%20Ph.D..pdf

So you are not vaccinated.
Answer me this....if you get sick with COVID because you don't believe in the science, will you go the the hospital and rely on the science for treatment?

[Skeety]

Tyoical control freak/narcissist. When it ****s up your heart and gives you violent headaches and a horrible rash, see how happy you are🤬

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by PJackpot

Fortunately for the rest of us who like the freedom to choose, politicians understand reality when it comes to ****ing off their constituents. Some times it seems, that's a good thing. Isn't it also funny how the "my body, my choice" crowd has no problem ripping a fetus to shreds, but wants to mandate a vaccine to "save lives".

[Byte1]

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[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

I can relate to the Baker Act.
Several years ago the neighbor at the lake rented their cabin to a family. During this time, their 15yr old daughter was learning to drive. While she was backing out of the drive with her mother, she accidentally ran over their dog. It was a horrible scene. I heard the commotion, and ran over. The dog was not going to survive, and I told them to go get their father. I mistakenly reached to comfort the dog, and he bit my hand.

It wasn't a bad bite but it did draw blood. I went to the ER for stitches. The Dr. asked if the dog had its rabies shots. I said I did not know but it looked like a well cared for pet and I assumed it would. They told me in no uncertain terms to call them back ASAP because if it could not be confirmed the dog was vaccinated I would have to get the rabies shots.

I went home and the renters had packed up and left. I called the owner and explained I needed to get in touch with them.He gave me their number. They said they would verify with their vet, but seemed more concerned I would sue them.

Anyways, 2 days passed and The ER Dr. actually called me. I told him we were still checking. The next day the County Sheriff called! He told me if I couldn't verify the dog was vaccinated, and I didn't start my rabies shots, they would come and arrest me and bring me in for the shots. Turns out rabies can be transmitted human to human. The Sheriff quoted the Baker Act and I now posed a risk to others. WOW!!! Fortunately, we were able to locate the vet and confirm the dog was vaccinated. I was actually getting dressed to go to my doctor and start the rabies shots. I was very relieved.

Nice story. It was entertaining.
Question:
Does the Baker Act (Law) require you to get a rabbies vaccination just in case you go camping, because there might be a rabid raccoon in the forest? Or would it require you to get the rabies shots if you had no intention of going into the woods and had the intention of staying in your home in the city, even though there might be a rabid rat or bat somewhere in the city? Even if there was no proof that you would be anywhere near such an animal?
Thought I might as well put in my facetious two cents since we are hearing vaccination and mask mandates equated to speed limit and stop sign laws.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by PJackpot

Isn't it also funny how the "my body, my choice" crowd has no problem ripping a fetus to shreds, but wants to mandate a vaccine to "save lives".

Uh. I think you have this really all conflated. mostly those are two different sides.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Nice story. It was entertaining.
Question:
Does the Baker Act (Law) require you to get a rabbies vaccination just in case you go camping, because there might be a rabid raccoon in the forest? Or would it require you to get the rabies shots if you had no intention of going into the woods and had the intention of staying in your home in the city, even though there might be a rabid rat or bat somewhere in the city? Even if there was no proof that you would be anywhere near such an animal?
Thought I might as well put in my facetious two cents since we are hearing vaccination and mask mandates equated to speed limit and stop sign laws.

Not the Baker act, but the same idea, you can be required to get a vaccination if traveling to a country that is experiencing a surge. Most of the time an alternative can be arranged, like testing and isolation, but not always. And of course the military can and does require vaccinations for troops deploying overseas and other places that pose dangers from contagious diseases.

The point of the Baker act was not as an absolute, but as a example of a case where the government CAN and DOES step in and mandate healthcare for protection of society from members that would otherwise prove to be a risk to the rest of us.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Tbrazie

Of course mandates are legal but this is another cheap shot article against conservatives most of whom are for vaccinations as am I. Why the hate?

Why the persecution complex? I have many conservative friends, and nothing said applies to them, they are vaccinated and follow all the other recommendations. The posts are addressed to anti crowd (mostly) continue to promote false narratives that put others lives at risk. And rather than hate, I would characterize it more as frustration.

You don't, so you aren't.