[regas56]

In the last 12 months I've survived emergency open heart surgery, 3 precancerous polyp's, 4 diverticulitis pockets, a double esophageal stricture (couldn't swallow food), and infected tick bite and now I'm 6 weeks into a nasty brown recluse spider bite..I'm really sorry but the coronavirus is about the last thing I'm going to worry about right now. I work full time with power tools every single day and am on eliquis and aspirin.... seriously the coronovirus??? hahahahaha I have more customers than I can handle inviting me into their homes and they don't seem to be much concerned either. In the last year I've come to realize that when my God says it's time to come home I can be hiding in the darkest deepest recesses of my closet with a blanket over my head and I'll still be going home.. I however will NOT jeopardize others with my choices by invading your social space or not wear a mask in your home if you ask and I will monitor my health every single day.. In the last 4 hospital/doctors visits I have not been asked to wear a mask and less then 30% of the medical staff have worn them so I choose to not walk around town with a loose fitting blanket on my face because a scientist says they might or might not work..I went to Walmart yesterday for a script and rubbed shoulders with 1000 other people and they said I was fine but when I went out to my truck and found I had a flat the shop at walmart said sorry we can't fix it because we're closed for the coronovirus until further notice... What??? Somethings not right here folks and I ain't falling for it..

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Difficult to knock or dismiss the lifesaving qualities of seat belts. Not having basic regulations is like having anarchy. Even the wild-west had traditions, social limitations, and even sheriffs.

I survived anarchy growing up. We didn't have seat belts.

[NavyVet]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from rebreathing a little of our own exhaled air. Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!
(It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)

“But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat. The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!

A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”

“But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.

“But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?

“But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.

“But won’t I look stupid if I wear a mask?” I’ve decided not to dignify that question with an answer!! ������

“But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!

There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!

P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!"

Now this makes scientific sense. Thank you!

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from rebreathing a little of our own exhaled air. Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!
(It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)

“But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat. The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!

A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”

“But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.

“But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?

“But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.

“But won’t I look stupid if I wear a mask?” I’ve decided not to dignify that question with an answer!! ������

“But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!

There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!

P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!"

Well said! Thank you for articulating so clearly the issues. If you’re running for something, you got my vote.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by nututv

1. Collective fear. 2. Sheep. 3. Act humanely/sanely

Just wondering.......will you don a mask when visiting a doctor in the office if the doctor mandates wearing a mask is required?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

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Cut and pasted from FB, author unknown. Thought it was a good synthesis also.

Thanks.

[17989Jc]

The Governor said yesterday if cases keep going up he may
Make it mandatory to wear a MASK.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by 17989Jc

The Governor said yesterday if cases keep going up he may
Make it mandatory to wear a MASK.

I surely hope DeSantis makes wearing a mask mandatory for the thousands of people who are attending the RNC in Jacksonville. Having this huge amount of people shoulder to shoulder indoors is a recipe for disaster. I'm shaking my head over that.

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery...

Thank you for your experienced voice of reason. It is appreciated, although there is a group of posters who will argue just to be arguing even after their arguments have been repeatedly put to rest. I think they figure if their post ends up being the last one in the chain of argument, they’ve won. It’s not about winning, it’s about how we treat each other.

Originally Posted by regas56

In the last 12 months I've survived emergency open heart surgery, 3 precancerous polyp's, 4 diverticulitis pockets, a double esophageal stricture (couldn't swallow food), and infected tick bite and now I'm 6 weeks into a nasty brown recluse spider bite..I'm really sorry but the coronavirus is about the last thing I'm going to worry about right now. I work full time with power tools every single day and am on eliquis and aspirin.... seriously the coronovirus??? hahahahaha I have more customers than I can handle inviting me into their homes and they don't seem to be much concerned either. In the last year I've come to realize that when my God says it's time to come home I can be hiding in the darkest deepest recesses of my closet with a blanket over my head and I'll still be going home.. I however will NOT jeopardize others with my choices by invading your social space or not wear a mask in your home if you ask and I will monitor my health every single day.. In the last 4 hospital/doctors visits I have not been asked to wear a mask and less then 30% of the medical staff have worn them so I choose to not walk around town with a loose fitting blanket on my face because a scientist says they might or might not work..I went to Walmart yesterday for a script and rubbed shoulders with 1000 other people and they said I was fine but when I went out to my truck and found I had a flat the shop at walmart said sorry we can't fix it because we're closed for the coronovirus until further notice... What??? Somethings not right here folks and I ain't falling for it..

Hmmm. No masks in the hospital? Those stays were in the last 2 or 3 months? And rubbed shoulders with a 1000 people at Walmart? A little hyperbole to make a point I guess. With all you’ve been through it seems to me wearing a mask to protect others from similar suffering would be a given for you. And let’s be honest, it is nothing like wearing a blanket. Little kids can handle wearing them for hours, I think us adult men and women could too.

[nututv]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Just wondering.......will you don a mask when visiting a doctor in the office if the doctor mandates wearing a mask is required?

Of course I would, not to would be selfish and disrespectful. That said, if I knew of another place that didn't, I be making tracks for them.
I'm fit, I exercise and according to my doc, have the workings of someone in their late 30's and I'm 62 even though I've had a TIA and have sarcoidosis (it's a pulmonary disease btw). I can still do pull ups, push ups etc. I weigh what I did when I graduated high school in 74, less than I weighed when I got out of boot camp. Am I supposed to wear a mask because some obese person is afraid of what I don't have when they've been putting their heath at risk for decades? lol Nope! 300,000 people die annually because of obesity or from a condition related to it (and have been for quite some time now). Do you go around telling them they're fat and to stop eating so damn much? 40 percent of the population is obese. BTW, want to save energy? There's a great start, just think of what is required to get that many people, that fat.

I've answered your question now please answer mine. Would you go out of your way on a beach, parking lot, trail, in the ocean kayaking to pick up a mask, set of gloves that someone removed and threw out? I have, dozens upon dozens of times.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from rebreathing a little of our own exhaled air. Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!
(It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)

“But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat. The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!

A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”

“But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.

“But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?

“But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.

“But won’t I look stupid if I wear a mask?” I’ve decided not to dignify that question with an answer!! ������

“But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!

There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!

P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!"

......


I have to honestly admit though...my mind is slowly being changed.

While I will still minimize my interaction with others, always wear a mask in public and think everyone should also do so, the anti-mask/anti-science faction...does have a point though.

If they want to thin their own herd, without endangering others...shouldn't they be allowed to do so?

[nututv]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

If they want to thin their own herd, without endangering others...shouldn't they be allowed to do so?

It's called 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness'. It was written somewhere once. If you want to smoke, smoke. If you want to drink, drink. If you want to be fat, eat. You want to jump off a bridge, jump. etc etc.
Just don't blow the smoke on someone that doesn't, force a bottle down the next guy, force feed another or push the person off that's leaning over the rail.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by nututv

It's called 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness'. It was written somewhere once. If you want to smoke, smoke. If you want to drink, drink. If you want to be fat, eat. You want to jump off a bridge, jump. etc etc.
Just don't blow the smoke on someone that doesn't, force a bottle down the next guy, force feed another or push the person off that's leaning over the rail.

Which, in essence, is exactly...what I said.

[Velvet]

Honolulu Star Advertiser today:

China also limited other travel around the capital, keying in on hot spots. Beijing had essentially eradicated local transmissions until recent days, with 137 new cases since last week.

On Wednesday, the city of 20 million raised its threat level from 3 to 2, canceling classes, suspending reopenings and strengthening requirements for social distancing. China had relaxed many lockdown controls after the Communist Party declared victory over the virus in March.

....

We are dealing with a very, very contagious disease.