[nututv]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Which, in essence, is exactly...what I said.

And I was agreeing. BTW, in a previous post I asked you the following.
'Would you go out of your way on a beach, parking lot, trail, in the ocean kayaking to pick up a mask, set of gloves that someone removed and threw out?'

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by nututv

And I was agreeing. BTW, in a previous post I asked you the following.
'Would you go out of your way on a beach, parking lot, trail, in the ocean kayaking to pick up a mask, set of gloves that someone removed and threw out?'

Depending on how far away and if I had a method to do so, without touching them...probably yes.

I often go out out of my way on the golf course and other places...to pick up trash.

Help me out though, what does that question...have to do with the subject of the thread?

[regas56]

Originally Posted by theruizs

Hmmm. No masks in the hospital? Those stays were in the last 2 or 3 months? And rubbed shoulders with a 1000 people at Walmart? A little hyperbole to make a point I guess. With all you’ve been through it seems to me wearing a mask to protect others from similar suffering would be a given for you. And let’s be honest, it is nothing like wearing a blanket. Little kids can handle wearing them for hours, I think us adult men and women could too.

Yes it was in the last 2 months.. NO..zero hyperbole. Yes.. 980 and all counted at a time in our Walmart.. I wear a mask on my job during the week (drywall) and YES most I see wearing a mask it's a joke the way they wear it, baggy and hanging off so it's just a fashion statement..If you're retired and in the top 20% for God Sake STAY HOME and beat the odds but I do not believe that paper shield on your face is going to extend your life any longer than SOCIAL DISTANCING but it will give you a false sense of security and for proof just look at all the people tugging, pulling and readjusting them CONSTANTLY with their hands..

[Lindsyburnsy]

When people talk, sing, sneeze, they often spit or spray and a mask will protect you from those droplets that can carry the virus. What is it about not wanting to wear a mask?

[nututv]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Depending on how far away and if I had a method to do so, without touching them...probably yes.

I often go out out of my way on the golf course and other places...to pick up trash.

Help me out though, what does that question...have to do with the subject of the thread?

I'll try and keep it short. I have little faith in humans. They not only screw up everything for other humans but they take everything else down the drain with them, Mother Nature. Now Mother Nature I have an overwhelming amount of faith in, and empathy for.
I'd lie awake at night knowing that I passed by a glove that was going to end up in a turtles mouth killing it.
Masks and medical gloves (which I wear neither of) I'm told I should wear to help others, yet so many of the others just throw them out like a cigarette butt. Who is responsible for cleaning up the supposed 'bio hazard' mess?
I mean I'm being told I'm putting others at risk not wearing them, yet I'm forced to clean up after these same people picking up their used masks and gloves. I picked up one in Brownwood just last week.
It was more a curiosity thing. I'm just so frustrated at the average humans lack of caring.

[Astron]

Originally Posted by Dayeight99

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.

Could you please give us your qualifications to make such a clinical judgement that appears at odds with the findings of numerous peer reviewed research articles such as the one referenced by the OP? Thank you.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by nututv

I'll try and keep it short. I have little faith in humans. They not only screw up everything for other humans but they take everything else down the drain with them, Mother Nature. Now Mother Nature I have an overwhelming amount of faith in, and empathy for.
I'd lie awake at night knowing that I passed by a glove that was going to end up in a turtles mouth killing it.
Masks and medical gloves (which I wear neither of) I'm told I should wear to help others, yet so many of the others just throw them out like a cigarette butt. Who is responsible for cleaning up the supposed 'bio hazard' mess?
I mean I'm being told I'm putting others at risk not wearing them, yet I'm forced to clean up after these same people picking up their used masks and gloves. I picked up one in Brownwood just last week.
It was more a curiosity thing. I'm just so frustrated at the average humans lack of caring.

On that...we totally agree!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by nututv

Of course I would, not to would be selfish and disrespectful. That said, if I knew of another place that didn't, I be making tracks for them.
I'm fit, I exercise and according to my doc, have the workings of someone in their late 30's and I'm 62 even though I've had a TIA and have sarcoidosis (it's a pulmonary disease btw). I can still do pull ups, push ups etc. I weigh what I did when I graduated high school in 74, less than I weighed when I got out of boot camp. Am I supposed to wear a mask because some obese person is afraid of what I don't have when they've been putting their heath at risk for decades? lol Nope! 300,000 people die annually because of obesity or from a condition related to it (and have been for quite some time now). Do you go around telling them they're fat and to stop eating so damn much? 40 percent of the population is obese. BTW, want to save energy? There's a great start, just think of what is required to get that many people, that fat.

I've answered your question now please answer mine. Would you go out of your way on a beach, parking lot, trail, in the ocean kayaking to pick up a mask, set of gloves that someone removed and threw out? I have, dozens upon dozens of times.

Regarding obesity.......last I checked someone's obesity was not contagious and potentially fatal to others. That was not a good analogy at all, IMHO.

Picking up discarded masks and gloves? No, I would not do that. It is not my job. Someone should be responsible to clean up after the people who litter. But......good for you for cleaning up after those inconsiderate folks.I thank you.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

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I have to honestly admit though...my mind is slowly being changed.

While I will still minimize my interaction with others, always wear a mask in public and think everyone should also do so, the anti-mask/anti-science faction...does have a point though.

If they want to thin their own herd, without endangering others...shouldn't they be allowed to do so?

Is there such a thing as "herd selection"? How would that work? Asking for a friend.

[coffeebean]

Deleted. Double post.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by nututv

And I was agreeing. BTW, in a previous post I asked you the following.
'Would you go out of your way on a beach, parking lot, trail, in the ocean kayaking to pick up a mask, set of gloves that someone removed and threw out?'

It wasn't ColdNoMore that you asked that question. It was me, coffeebean. I have already replied to the question in a previous post.

[Dayeight99]

Then wear it everyday for the rest of your life because there’s always “something going around”. Seasonal flu, colds, etc. They’re all contagious. Please, never take it off or you’re a hypocrite.

[ALadysMom]

Robbie: you are awesome.
Great rant.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Wearing a contaminated mask is detrimental to the wearer but is still very beneficial to others around the wearer. I know that sounds very selfish but it is true. It is very easy to keep a fabric mask not contaminated for the wearer. Just fold it up so the inside does not touch anything other than your nose and mouth. Do not touch the inside of the mask with your hands and do not allow any surface to brush against the inside of the mask. I fold my mask up in this safe manner and place it in a plastic snack bag and keep it in my purse. I do wash my cloth masks every time I do the laundry. This is so easy to do and keeps the mask wearer safe from contaminants other than their own droplets.

I appreciate your admission but there are more than just a few loopholes 😷 (get it? LOL) in your sanitization procedure. Sorry. Not touching the inside is a great attempt at cleanliness but the world is a huge microbial soup and your damp mask inside that plastic bag in Floridian heat is a growth vector for mold, bacteria and, yes, viruses. The chemical residues of soap, fabric softener, etc. from the laundry and the dyes, microfibers and other things from the fabric are being inhaled with every breath you take. There are good reasons why medical masks are sterile, made from specialty paper and single use/disposable.

Staying home is so relaxing by comparison.

[nututv]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Regarding obesity.......last I checked someone's obesity was not contagious and potentially fatal to others. That was not a good analogy at all, IMHO.
Picking up discarded masks and gloves? No, I would not do that. It is not my job. Someone should be responsible to clean up after the people who litter. But......good for you for cleaning up after those inconsiderate folks.I thank you.

Masks are to keep hospitals etc from being overwhelmed. I heard that here from a TOTV PHD/MD/BS lol. Remove 300,000 annually from ER's and hospitals in general and you've removed a major headache. And I agree it isn't contagious but have you ever seen a skinny kid who had obese parents? Some of the biggest kids I taught in scouts had mom's and dad's that were seriously wide. It runs in families. McDonald genes we called them.
Let's see, 40% of the population is obese. You don't think that to produce what is required to create and sustain all that doesn't create millions of tons of 'stuff' that's potentially fatal to others.

It's not my job! That is by far, the saddest thing I can remember reading. It sure the heck is, it's everyone's job. Do you have kids or grand kids? Better show them all the wildlife you can while you can. We're killing them with cruelty and pollution faster than the poor animals can multiply.
Then I guess it's my job. I've seen this first hand, it's repulsive.
This whale had more than 88 pounds of plastic in its stomach when it died.

Maybe Covid is a blessing in disguise. Maybe there are just too many of us and Mother Nature really is winning.