[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Donvan

21% of people who get the vaccine have serious side effects.the vaccine was not tested on animals. Stage one and two safety test was not done. Personally have had two major side effects from drugs. Not worth the risk when mortality is lower then the normal flu. Besides I have already had it.

Honestly? Where did you get that info?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by kendi

I'm not old enough to get it yet which is okay in my opinion because I can see how the effects play our for others while I'm waiting. I am undecided whether to get it or not. My sister in law who is my age received it at her work and she now has problems with short term memory.

Which vaccine did your sister in law get?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by wachteldepew

We will not be getting the vaccine. How could they come up with a “cure” for a virus they know very little about in less than a year? The flu and cancer have been around forever and they can’t cure them, but miraculously they have an answer to covid. Not buying it.

Oh I have to answer this one. Keep in mind I am not a medical person but the arrival of our infant daughter with severe congenital heart abnormality and other health issues got me very involved in educating myself about the medical community . Since then, I have seriously sought the finest health experiences for her and tried to protect her best I could for 55 years.

To your question;
How could they come up with a "cure" for a virus they know very little about in less than a year?Flu and cancer have been around forever and they can't cure them, but miraculously have an answer to Covid.

They knew quite a bit about the other kinds of Corona Viruses and could start with that knowledge to tailor the vaccine to this one. It had ENORMOUS amount of money and effort thrown at it from all over this entire planet because scientists could see that it was a very serious issue indeed. Cancer is not just one illness but many different ones and they have a vaccine just recently released for the Human Papilloma Virus that is the cause of Cervical Cancer. It is given to young teens of both gender to prevent that form of Cancer now, just in the last few years. The Vaccine is not a cure for Covid, but it allows our body to fight it off. It is a preventative measure. I am sure that you took the Polio Vaccine and one for Whooping Cough, Measles and Mumps. As an older adult I took the vaccination for Shingles and for two different kinds of pneumonia.

To the person who said it hadn't been tested enough....Well we shall soon see. Over a million seniors in Florida alone have now received the Covid-19 vaccination.

[dwhite5773]

Originally Posted by topspinmo

when by southern oaks tents at noon today, looked like they was shut down due to the mud pit that was created, don’t tell me finely get and appointment and canceled due to field mud pit? That’s not going to dry up for awhile?

wtf??

[dwhite5773]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Honestly? Where did you get that info?

WTF?? And the side effects were from WHAT DRUG? ������

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by donassaid

My wife and I will not get an experimental vaccine that has sickened thousands and killed dozens more including a young, healthy doctor in Florida 3 weeks after he had the shot. The CDC itself has stated that the vaccine will NOT keep you from getting Covid. So why anyone would take this shot to prevent a virus that has a 99.7% survival rate for people our age (70's) is a mystery to me. And I have had the virus.

I'm not sure where this information comes from, but Covid 19 has killed 484,000 Us citizens and many more have gotten seriously ill and have been left with lifelong permanent serious medical conditions.

Some people get mildly ill after receiving their second dose. This is a sign that their immune system is reacting. Most are over it in a few hours. I don't know if this is what you're referring to when you say thus vaccine has has sickened thousands but if that's the case, I'll accept a few deaths and a few thousand people getting mildly ill as opposed to 27.6 million getting ill and 484,000 deaths.

Also, I don't know where you get the 99.7% survival rate. In the US there have been 27. million cases and 484,000 deaths. Unless I'm doing my math correctly that is 18% of the people that get Covid die. That seems like an 83% survival rate. What that doesn't show is how many people have serious long term issues after surviving the virus.

A few thousand that get mildly sick, which may be a normal response and a few dozen deaths that may or may not have been related to the vaccine compared to an 18% chance of dying and a higher chance of being permanently ill is a not brainer for me.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Pam Smothers

According to the government... If I get vaccinated: 💉💉💉

1.- Can I stop wearing the mask?
Government Response - No

2.- Can they reopen restaurants, pubs, bars etc and everyone work normally?
Government Response - No

3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
Government Response - Maybe, but we don't know exactly, it probably won't stop you getting it

4.- At least I won't be contagious to others anymore?
Government Response - No you can still pass it on, possibly, nobody knows.

5.- If we vaccinate all children, will school resume normally?
Government Response - No

6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?
Government Response - No

7.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands?
Government Response - No

8.- If I vaccinate myself and my grandfather, can we hug each other?
Government Response - No

9.- Will cinemas, theatres and stadiums be reopened normally thanks to vaccines?
Government Response - No

10.- Will the vaccinated be able to gather?
Government Response - No

11.- What is the real benefit of vaccination?
Government Response - The virus won't kill you.

12.- Are you sure it won't kill me?
Government Response - No

13.- If statistically the virus won't kill me anyway ... Why would I get vaccinated?"
Government Response - To protect others.

14.- So if I get vaccinated, the others are 100% sure I'm not infecting them?
Government Response - No

So to summarise, the Covid19 vaccine...

Does not give immunity.
Does not eliminate the virus.
Does not prevent death.
Does not guarantee you won’t get it.
Does not prevent you from getting it.
Does not stop you passing it on
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans.
Does not eliminate the need for business closures.
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns.
Does not eliminate the need for masking.

So...what the heck is it actually doing? 🤦🏼*♂️🤷🏼*♂️

Let me see if I can answer these question with a bit more detail.

1.- Can I stop wearing the mask?
We will be able to stop wearing masks once the majority of people in your state or in the country have been vaccinated.

2.- Can they reopen restaurants, pubs, bars etc and everyone work normally?
These will all open normally once the majority of people in your state or in the country have been vaccinated.

3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
This vaccine does not prevent you from contracting the virus. It prevents you body from allowing the virus to replicate itself which is what causes illness and death.

4.- At least I won't be contagious to others anymore?
The latest findings are that it's very unlikely that people who have the virus and are asymptomatic to transmit the virus to others.

5.- If we vaccinate all children, will school resume normally?
I believe that this is incorrect.
Who in the government has said this?

6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?
Same answers as one and two above. It won't be until basically everyone int he country that wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated that we will be back to normal.

7.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands?
Why would you want to stop washing or disinfecting your hands? No one is forcing you to do it anyway.

8.- If I vaccinate myself and my grandfather, can we hug each other?
Again, I'd like to see a quote from someone in the government that has stated this.

9.- Will cinemas, theatres and stadiums be reopened normally thanks to vaccines?
See my answers to questions #1 and #2.

10.- Will the vaccinated be able to gather?
Same as #1 and #2

11.- What is the real benefit of vaccination?
Government Response - The virus won't kill you. Nor will you become seriously ill or need to be placed on a ventilator. You will also be free from worry about serious long term effect of the virus.

12.- Are you sure it won't kill me?
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been proven to be 95% affective. Efficacy rate for the seasonal influenza vaccine it between 40% and 60% and that has saved millions of lives.

13.- If statistically the virus won't kill me anyway ... Why would I get vaccinated?"
Once everyone that wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated we will all be protected. For the few that refuse it, it's their lives and have every right to take that risk

14.- So if I get vaccinated, the others are 100% sure I'm not infecting them?
Correct, But what they're trying to do it create herd immunity. Once 300 million people are vaccinated, it's likely that the virus will die.

I hope that this is helpful

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I'm not sure where this information comes from, but Covid 19 has killed 484,000 Us citizens and many more have gotten seriously ill and have been left with lifelong permanent serious medical conditions.

Some people get mildly ill after receiving their second dose. This is a sign that their immune system is reacting. Most are over it in a few hours. I don't know if this is what you're referring to when you say thus vaccine has has sickened thousands but if that's the case, I'll accept a few deaths and a few thousand people getting mildly ill as opposed to 27.6 million getting ill and 484,000 deaths.

Also, I don't know where you get the 99.7% survival rate. In the US there have been 27. million cases and 484,000 deaths. Unless I'm doing my math correctly that is 18% of the people that get Covid die. That seems like an 83% survival rate. What that doesn't show is how many people have serious long term issues after surviving the virus.

A few thousand that get mildly sick, which may be a normal response and a few dozen deaths that may or may not have been related to the vaccine compared to an 18% chance of dying and a higher chance of being permanently ill is a not brainer for me.

You are doing your math incorrectly. 484,000 out of 27.6M is 1.8% for a 98.2% survival rate.

I agree with your argument but the math needed help.

[lpkruege1]

Originally Posted by Manatee

Misinformation is a waste of time at best. At worst it may kill ya.

Serious reactions have been Extremely Low - please don’t post inaccurate info here. The safety profile is pretty darn good - Moderna is well under one percent for serious adverse Reactions, and most of those were in people with previous vaccine issues.

It’s your choice.
Base it on scientific facts.

Long Haul Covid -
Let’s not ignore that.

10 percent of people who get Covid get long haul - that is
Daily headaches, lung damage, shortness breath, brain fog, nausea....... the docs can’t cure it and aren’t sure if it will ever go away.

I know 2 formerly healthy people who have long haul Covid. Both are younger. Long haul will be one of our biggest chronic health problem for years to come.

It seems to me that's a lot more people that could get an extreme reaction than may die from the Covid 19 or am I missing something?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by dwhite5773

WTF?? And the side effects were from WHAT DRUG? ������

This is a response to one of my comments. I don't quite understand what you are getting at. Did you mean to reply to me?????

[dtennent]

The fact is no vaccine is 100% effective. Would you recommend that your grandchildren not be vaccinated against polio because it wasn't 100% effective? All the data presented has shown Pfizer and Moderna to be 95% effective. If everyone got either of these vaccinations, we would stop the pandemic. That isn't to say that we haven't experienced problems in rolling out the vaccination process. As a scientist for my entire life, I have a great respect for both the FDA and the CDC. if you read historical books on what life was like 100 years ago, you would appreciate their roles. (For example -- The Poison Squad by Deborah Blum - there was also a PBS show on this.)

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by lpkruege1

It seems to me that's a lot more people that could get an extreme reaction than may die from the Covid 19 or am I missing something?

You are missing something. To date, 50.6 million shots have been administered in the U.S. Where are all these horrible reactions and deaths from the vaccine you are claiming? Where are the hospitalizations? Where are the refrigerator trucks lined up at the vaccination sites? 485,000 have died from COVID-19, not to mention the people that will suffer for months or years from damaged hearts, brains, kidneys, lungs, and probably some stuff we don't even know about yet.

[big guy]

We did get the second shot. I ended up with a headache, burning eyes, achy all over, in 48 hours the symptoms were all gone. It was much better than getting the covid virus.

[Dotneko]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I'm not sure where this information comes from, but Covid 19 has killed 484,000 Us citizens and many more have gotten seriously ill and have been left with lifelong permanent serious medical conditions.

Some people get mildly ill after receiving their second dose. This is a sign that their immune system is reacting. Most are over it in a few hours. I don't know if this is what you're referring to when you say thus vaccine has has sickened thousands but if that's the case, I'll accept a few deaths and a few thousand people getting mildly ill as opposed to 27.6 million getting ill and 484,000 deaths.

Also, I don't know where you get the 99.7% survival rate. In the US there have been 27. million cases and 484,000 deaths. Unless I'm doing my math correctly that is 18% of the people that get Covid die. That seems like an 83% survival rate. What that doesn't show is how many people have serious long term issues after surviving the virus.

A few thousand that get mildly sick, which may be a normal response and a few dozen deaths that may or may not have been related to the vaccine compared to an 18% chance of dying and a higher chance of being permanently ill is a not brainer for me.

Ummm.10% of 27 million is 2.7 million. 1% is 270,000. 2% is 540,000. So, a little less than 2%.
Yeah, your math is off.

[Koapaka]

See statement above.....first, 100% correct post in this thread.