[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Signs of Orthorexia

First of all your in NO way referring to me, if so you are incorrect.

This response appears to be an in-artful attempt to justify an unhealthy diet.

But you are here reading the posts???

However — and it’s a big however — we’re a grossly overweight and unhealthy society with strongly developed cultural tendencies to celebrate the extremes, to submission and ourselves into premature diabetes and heart disease, to want what we want when we want it how we want it, selfish.

More important, we’re a society governed by corporations and agribusiness where we delude ourselves into believe in our individual rights and freedoms while the multinationals quietly strip us of our health and money, slipping us all manner of medical and psychiatric diagnoses with targeted pharmaceutical relief.

The goal may be for each of us to empower ourselves and take at least some control of our health back. If a person is fortunate enough to be able to do that through food choices, more power to them.


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[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

The info that I have re Eating for your blood type is from the book

I thought so, I admit I did not read thru much of it, but we are speaking different schools of thought, but plant based diets have more extensive research.

I didn't read the info in your link due to the fact it is 12 years old, it was written by a Naturopathic physician I can't follow dated info with the technologies available for the current trends.

But each of us must follow what we believe is right for themselves.

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Ok, you got my curiosity, I did a little research and found this.

Dr. Michael Klaper challenged the blood type theory, stating;

"Eat Right For Your Type 1996 by Peter J. D'Adamo, N. D. The book's basic premise - that Type O's are the dominant, hunter-caveman type that require meat in the diet.
Yet, no such studies are cited or presented.

In my opinion, D'Adamo has spun an evolutionary fairy tale that leaves many unanswered questions. What exactly is he proposing happened to Type O hunter-gatherers"

Full article


Joel Fuhrman MD answered this question nicely in his book "Eat To Live." Statistically, blood type has no impact on dietary choices. EVERYONE should eat a HEALTHY vegan diet! ...he has done extensive research into the scientific literature on the connection between blood type and diet and there is very little scientific validity to these claims.

D'Adamo does not supply scientific references to back up any of his claims, Dr. Fuhrman searched Medline for all articles on blood type and diet done in the past 30 years, as well as research on lectins and he read more than 200 scientific articles on the subject of ABO blood types, diet and disease. D'Adamo's book mixes some interesting factual information with a lot of far-fetched assertions that have no scientific basis in fact. He makes many unscientific and incorrect claims that show a poor understanding of basic human physiology.


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[lightworker888]

Don't get me wrong, Jm. I am not saying that it wouldn't be useful to have a more plant based diet than a meat based diet, but I do believe that some animal protein is also useful. As always moderation and source is the key as well as emotional attitude towards eating whatever you eat. We are fortunate to have access to good sources of both veggies and meat, fish and chicken but it needs to be sourced out. I found that free range chicken was harder to find near TV. Would appreciate any info on that.

I found this link to a more current article that I thought put things in balance, which is really what I am discussing. I believe that everything is all about balance and that it is up to the individual to find that balance for himself.

Red meat is good for you! After all the warnings, Sunday roast not linked to heart disease | Mail Online

LW888

[lightworker888]

Actually we have found that eliminating gluten and sugar and doing our best to food combine has had more impact positively on our health than doing plant based, raw or macrobiotic exclusively. We also use Redmond Sea Salt exclusively and cook with coconut oil only and use olive oil for salads and mixing with butter. (1 lb butter to 1C olive oil and 1C water).

But back to the topic of dumbing down, that is really a major concern for us all and I believe it is the major contributor to the obesity issue. The only one looking after us is ourselves and we need to really understand that all the influences around us really put us into a trance and we get blindly led without noticing where we are going.


Of interest might be the following link which gave us much to consider. We found it to be an interesting concept. Like all things, it really depends on what your mind is sorting for as "everything" is out there and it is up to each of us to determine what to attend to with each 7-9 bits of info we take in. I think this really addresses the dumbing down topic and as always knowledge is power so we can never have too much info.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A&feature=related]The Story of Your Enslavement - YouTube[/ame]

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

Don't get me wrong, Jm. I am not saying that it wouldn't be useful to have a more plant based diet than a meat based diet, but I do believe that some animal protein is also useful. As always moderation and source is the key as well as emotional attitude towards eating whatever you eat. We are fortunate to have access to good sources of both veggies and meat, fish and chicken but it needs to be sourced out. I found that free range chicken was harder to find near TV. Would appreciate any info on that.

It's not what's it's cracked up to be
Unlike the term "USDA Organic," which can only be applied to foods that meet exacting guidelines set by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), the use of the term "free-range" is less strict. Any chickens that have regular access to an outdoor area -- a patch of cement or a small, fenced gravel yard -- can be called free-range. Even if a bird gets just five minutes of outdoor time a day, she qualifies as a free-range chicken.
There's conflicting information about how rigorously the USDA inspects free-range chickens and turkeys. The USDA website states that in order for poultry to be labeled free-range or free-roaming, "Producers must demonstrate to the Agency that the poultry has been allowed access to the outside." That's it. How often, and how strictly, the USDA inspects chickens' outdoor access is anyone's guess.

I found this link to a more current article that I thought put things in balance, which is really what I am discussing. I believe that everything is all about balance and that it is up to the individual to find that balance for himself.

Red meat is good for you! After all the warnings, Sunday roast not linked to heart disease | Mail Online

To quote that very article "Professor Martin Wiseman, medical and scientific adviser for World Cancer Research Fund, said the study was being promoted by the meat industry, but added: ‘This paper is not a systematic review of the evidence and does not change the fact that there is convincing evidence that red and processed meat increase risk of bowel cancer.
But to suggest, as the authors of this review have done, that there is “no evidence” that a moderate intake of lean red meat has any negative health effects is wrong.‘Essentially, the public has a choice between believing our findings – which are those of an independent panel of scientists after a systematic and transparent review of the complete global evidence – or the conclusions of this review.’

If that's solid evidence for you to rely upon fine. But without quoting numerous studies showing otherwise the balance you're referring to is not in red meat or poultry, fish maybe.

The fact that your interested in diet is great, would you be willing to get a dvd on Netflix or amazon that can explain this way better than I?

The #1 ranked [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Forks-Over-Knives-Colin-Campbell/dp/B0053ZHZI2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339159474&sr=8-1"]video[/ame] Forks over Knives.

[graciegirl]

Here is a question for Jimbo and VillagesFl. Have the people closest to you, your immediate family; children, parents, siblings, changed to your way of eating?

[lightworker888]

I just got this message and thought it was worth sharing for those of you who might be interested.

"Law of Attraction is Universal, and every person is affected by it. And it is always true that what I think and what I feel and what I get are always a match, and there is not a person on the planet that did not know that when they were born, and there is not a person on the planet that would not benefit by knowing it. But many, many, many are not yet asking and therefore are not yet ready for the answer. And so, we would say that — although everyone wants this information — everyone is not necessarily ready for it. We would not spend any time trying to convince anybody of anything because if they're not asking, your answers are just irritating." - Abraham-Hicks

There are so many readers on the board and at different points on their journey that I think this is really relevant. There is no point that is any better than any other; it really is a matter of what attracts you at the moment, for that is where each person is and no one gets pushed from one point to another; they choose to move when they are ready and feel the need. Living transparently and modelling what we believe, is really all we need to do and those that are attracted to the ideas will ask the questions and hopefully attend to the answers, and maybe even follow the suggestions.

LW888

[jimbo2012]

Gracie,
Not the gran kids, 2 of my 3 kids have, the other one is thinking hard about it because his wife is doing it.
When they saw I was no longer on any meds (my wife was never on any) and lost some weight they got interested.
They all watched the video Forks over knives and that convinced them.

We also have more energy than before, I can play 2 rounds of golf walking, and go out the same nite not feeling tired.

Of course it's easier if both spouses are doing the same food.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Here is a question for Jimbo and VillagesFl. Have the people closest to you, your immediate family; children, parents, siblings, changed to your way of eating?

I've read all of the books and understand the concept he's referring to, however, I understand totally where you are coming from, Gracie. Our generation (yours and mine) has had to adjust our cooking and baking habits that we learned as young marrieds in the 1960's.......however, it still is nice to be able to "throw caution to the winds" and make someone their favorite meal every now and then without being a SPARTAN.

I have inlaws that live on seeds and nuts and have terrible dispositions.
They are no healthier than we are....in fact, they've had more surgical procedures than we will ever have, and so far, we've had none. They also pop bags of supplements like they are going out of style.

I have other family members who claim to be lactose intolerant which eliminates a lot of old favorites that have cheese in them, dairy and milk.

I have others that avoid the nightshade family of veggies.......and on and on..........and grandchildren who prefer Macdonalds and pizza to meatloaf and mashed potatoes....a true comfort meal.

I also have other children who eat healthy of everything offered, but in moderation. Moderation is the key, as another poster said.

I was raised on all the Italian veggies like escarole, kale, broccoli, you name it......if it was green it was on the table and it didn't come out of a can.........ditto for legumes.....LENTILS, BEANS.....dry ones that they had to soak.......I still say that is why that generation lived so long......there was no processed food back then...........however, NOW everything is processed.

The Mediterranean Diet is a very healthy one, with meat in moderation.

However, if you offered the average person a bowl of lentil soup with escarole or spinach floating around in it.......or beans and macaroni, ditto, they would turn up their noses........and prefer something from a chain restaurant (who all get their processed foods from a place like Sysco).

My mom cooked both my dad's Italian and her own Slavic type dishes of her mom........and that was heavy on cabbage....so still healthy and they didn't even know it. Lots of root veggies......very little meat....HONEY in place of sugar. It was more that there were "no extras". Lots of home made soups. Now, even our favorite childhood comfort food of hand rolled out pierogie / varenky slathered in sauteed onions and sour cream would be a NO NO.

Also, cooking for two is not as much fun as cooking for a large family; there are too many leftovers to contend with.

I've also had people hand us what they perceived to be a "healthy" substitute for a hot dog on the grill, or a slice of cheese.......and think just because it says low fat or no sugar, etc. that it's o.k. The substitutes can be worse than the actual ingredient they try to avoid.

We've cut way back on our red meat consumption.......but we still remember those big roasts our moms made........you cant even get a "fresh ham" (not the pink kind) like they had back then. As far as the pink ham, she'd cut crosses in it and put cloves all over it and then garnished with pineapple. Who does that anymore???????????

ALL THE JOY HAS GONE OUT OF COOKING.

[ariel]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Here is a question for Jimbo and VillagesFl. Have the people closest to you, your immediate family; children, parents, siblings, changed to your way of eating?

Good Question. I can tell you about me...having been exposed to the eating/food perspectives of a couple of my relatives has made me more conscious of how and what I eat. It's made me read more (food containers and articles) and I have altered my habits over the past 3-5 years. I will likely never alter to the extent that they have but listening to them talk (yes...sometimes preach) has opened my eyes to some things I'd never previously thought too much about.

I think Quirky makes a great point about making sure we receive the message. There's so much being written and talked about regarding nutrition these days, it's confusing and hard to figure out. So these conversations give good "food" for thought and also some good starting points/search terms to study a little further.

Making changes in the way I eat has been hard for me - I grew up in a southern family that everything we did at home, church, etc. revolved around the table and taste was everything. I'm sure much of my grandmothers' and even my mother's self concepts were tied to the fact they were such good cooks. Those generations, in my part of the coutry, raised a lot of meat and potatoes people. Unfortunately, some of them suffered from ailments that were probably impacted by diet.

As for me...as I said before, I'm a work in progress...in so many ways.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

We do our best to eat "healthy" and the issue of cows being fed other animal products doesn't apply to all beef. If you choose your sources, you can get healthy beef, chicken and even pork - all hormone and antibiotic free and raised on a "good" diet. Some people need animal protein, particularly O blood types, but like everything else moderation is the key. Even a vegan diet needs to be researched and properly sourced to avoid toxicity.

It is refreshing to see that there are so many nutrition conscious people on the board. A few years ago the topic probably wouldn't even be discussed let alone debated, so there has been a shift in consciousness. From what I hear and see, at least the generation of young ones are getting educated on the importance of eating "healthy" and hopefully can make better choices.

I've always believed that our job as parents is to walk our talk so after doing your own research, the best thing any of us can do for ourselves and our kids is to follow a diet that we believe is the most healthful. Each person has to find that one out for him/herself and I don't believe it is necessarily a one size fits all thing. But again moderation is key. I guess I better get off the soap box.


LW888

Your posting is spot on and accurate..........however, our generation cooked like Betty Crocker and Suzy Homemaker.........our now adult children, once in college, began to make their own food decisions and truly do know what is right for optimal health; they are all thin and healthy and active.

However, it's the younger generation that doesn't seem to "try" new foods.........whereas when my kids were young and school age, at home, they ate everything........all types of American foods and ethnic foods.........they weren't fussy at all. The really young school age generation of today truly prefer Macdonalds and pizza....even though their parents cook healthy. Some schools actually offer it in the cafeterias.

Our very young ones, and those grandchldren of my friends, seem to prefer to "live on" fruits, cut up crudites and ranch dressing.......no meat.
So, self directed vegans? They do eat cheese and do drink milk. Our kids ate everything, whether it was at home (3 meals a day when school was not in session) or on vacation. From little tykes on. They were not fussy. Times have changed. I always cooked a variety of everything.
THEY ALL REMAINED THIN. Food was not an issue, even though we had an abundance of it.

I've tried to get that free range chicken, etc. but it's super expensive.
Not happy about the hormones and antibiotics in the meat supply.

All interesting postings, for sure.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

First of all your in NO way referring to me, if so you are incorrect.

This response appears to be an in-artful attempt to justify an unhealthy diet.

But you are here reading the posts???

However — and it’s a big however — we’re a grossly overweight and unhealthy society with strongly developed cultural tendencies to celebrate the extremes, to submission and ourselves into premature diabetes and heart disease, to want what we want when we want it how we want it, selfish.

More important, we’re a society governed by corporations and agribusiness where we delude ourselves into believe in our individual rights and freedoms while the multinationals quietly strip us of our health and money, slipping us all manner of medical and psychiatric diagnoses with targeted pharmaceutical relief.

The goal may be for each of us to empower ourselves and take at least some control of our health back. If a person is fortunate enough to be able to do that through food choices, more power to them.


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Here's an interesting little story about big business and agribusiness as you mention.

About 3 years ago, I had a bottle of apple juice in the frig after the grandchildren left........I usually bought MOTTS but Price Chopper was all out of it, so I purchased the Price Chopper brand of apple juice. The little ones went through a few bottles of it during the visit.....this was the last bottle put in and only half used up.

I decided to have a drink. I wish I still had the photos but I've had a computer crash since then.......lost them. There was a HUGE CIRCULAR BLACK, GREY AND WHITE object in the middle of the Price Chopper apple juice....in the bottle. It was disgusting.

This had not been in there for a long time or left out at all.

To make a very long story short..........I began to do some research after calling Price Chopper and sending them the photos my husband later took of the MOLD or whatever it was in the apple juice bottle. It was huge.

They said that their apples come from droppings in CHINA....as it is more cost effective for them.............I had asked "Why don't you get them from New York State or neighboring Vermont" since Price Chopper's headquarters is in upstate N.Y.

Just last night on the news, they said that New York farmers have not bounced back since our sub tropical storm Irene of last year.....they kept showing the apple crops, etc. Go figure. Apples from China?????

I had done research and found out that the certain bacteria that grows on apple juice, apple cider, apple butter, etc.........is caused by a certain organism.........and usually comes from the droppings.

We know all about the baby formula, and other products that were questionable..............but who would think to suspect apple juice.
Which little kids live on. To this day, I can't get myself to drink it.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

I just got this message and thought it was worth sharing for those of you who might be interested.

"Law of Attraction is Universal, and every person is affected by it. And it is always true that what I think and what I feel and what I get are always a match, and there is not a person on the planet that did not know that when they were born, and there is not a person on the planet that would not benefit by knowing it. But many, many, many are not yet asking and therefore are not yet ready for the answer. And so, we would say that — although everyone wants this information — everyone is not necessarily ready for it. We would not spend any time trying to convince anybody of anything because if they're not asking, your answers are just irritating." - Abraham-Hicks

There are so many readers on the board and at different points on their journey that I think this is really relevant. There is no point that is any better than any other; it really is a matter of what attracts you at the moment, for that is where each person is and no one gets pushed from one point to another; they choose to move when they are ready and feel the need. Living transparently and modelling what we believe, is really all we need to do and those that are attracted to the ideas will ask the questions and hopefully attend to the answers, and maybe even follow the suggestions.

LW888

Words of wisdom. We've all been there. Life is not stagnant.
We are always learning. However, often it is the other person in our lives who we need to "tend to" who prefers his food "the old way".

To find a kindred spirit is a rare thing.

Also, people who live alone can eat what ever they please.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

Don't get me wrong, Jm. I am not saying that it wouldn't be useful to have a more plant based diet than a meat based diet, but I do believe that some animal protein is also useful. As always moderation and source is the key as well as emotional attitude towards eating whatever you eat. We are fortunate to have access to good sources of both veggies and meat, fish and chicken but it needs to be sourced out. I found that free range chicken was harder to find near TV. Would appreciate any info on that.

I found this link to a more current article that I thought put things in balance, which is really what I am discussing. I believe that everything is all about balance and that it is up to the individual to find that balance for himself.

Red meat is good for you! After all the warnings, Sunday roast not linked to heart disease | Mail Online

LW888

I read your link and the last sentence said the review was published with funding from the food industry. So it's not unbiased. We already know that the food industry is not adverse to employing doctors who will say whatever they want them to say. I feel it's a waste of our time to have to read faulty (biased) studies. It represents more dumbing down, in my opinion.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

To find a kindred spirit is a rare thing.

You can say that again.

Also, people who live alone can eat what ever they please.

I admit to having a big advantage in that regard. If I ever get married, (which I kind of doubt because I cherish my solitude) there will have to be two refrigerators (his and hers). (I don't want any dumbing down in the place where I live.) :-)