[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by ithos

PubMed

Great resource. If a remedy has been subjected to clinical trials, you can find out here. Not always conclusive but better than internet chatter.

MY ENTIRE POST IS CORRECT BUT IS IN REFERENCE TO THE WRONG WEBSITE. I CONFUSED PUBMED WITH WEBMD. My apologies.

I'm leaving the post itself intact so y'all can see how easy it is to confuse facts, even among people who spend hours doing actual fact-checking. A simple incorrect reference can send people into a tirade. In this case, it was a pretty significant error on my part.

Those are almost all summaries of studies. If you want to see the peer-reviewed double-blind studies IN FULL you have to be a paid subscriber.

ANYONE can upload a study to ***pubmed***. You can upload a hypothesis that peanutbutter can cure acne if smeared on the entire body and left for 24 hours a day, once every three weeks, for three years.

It doesn't make it a valid study, but hey someone will click on it and maybe you'll get famous.


***PUBMED IS NOT THE WEBSITE I WAS THINKING OF WHEN I SAW AND RESPONDED TO THE PREVIOUS POST. WEBMD IS THE UNRELIABLE SITE.***

[ithos]

https://www.healthpromoting.com/site...cie%20Yuen.pdf

TrueNorth Health Center | Optimum Health Starts Here

If all else fails, this clinic has had some amazing documented results since 1984.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Those are almost all summaries of studies. If you want to see the peer-reviewed double-blind studies IN FULL you have to be a paid subscriber.

ANYONE can upload a study to pubmed. You can upload a hypothesis that peanutbutter can cure acne if smeared on the entire body and left for 24 hours a day, once every three weeks, for three years.

It doesn't make it a valid study, but hey someone will click on it and maybe you'll get famous.

Your point is well taken. That is why you don't rely on just one report. If it is credible then you will find many studies with extensive trials.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by JRP2TV

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.

Get a copy of "Treat your own back", and follow that for back pain relief. I think the author is Robin McKenzie.?
Also, get and use an inversion bench.
This has helped me tremendously.
Good Luck.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by ithos

https://www.healthpromoting.com/site...cie%20Yuen.pdf

TrueNorth Health Center | Optimum Health Starts Here

If all else fails, this clinic has had some amazing documented results since 1984.

More quackery. They sell cookbooks while promoting a "water-only" fasting diet that they claim would last anywhere between 5 and 40 days.

40 days of NO food, only water. They are a "health retreat" center where you have to pay for ALL medical expenses even if you have insurance, and you can get PARTLY reimbursed by your insurance company if they allow you to go to any doctor (no network).

You stay at their center for $150/night if you're willing to share a bathroom and living area with strangers, or you can rent the entire suite for $300/night, and stay in the whole suite by yourself. Obviously, insurance doesn't cover -any- of that part.

It's a very expensive scam. And they're very successful because there are a lot of desperate people willing to try the latest quack trends to treat their "dis-ease" (the trendy term for illness in the alt-med world).

[cbmerl]

Originally Posted by JRP2TV

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.

You should consider Stretch Zone in Pinellas (also Spanish Springs) They are absolutely amazing. Maybe you need something like that to keep your back "loose". Check it out. They offer one free session in which they tell you and show you what the program is all about. I love them. You have to do nothing .... just show up. They do all the work! At least look into it. It may not be for you but.... maybe it is. I can't believe how many responses are suggesting CBD or Pot even though you specifically said "no" to that.

[Donegalkid]

Originally Posted by JRP2TV

I have once in the past, but this is something I will reconsider. Thx much.

I personally highly recommend an acupuncture treatment known as “Battlefield Acupuncture”. Here’s a link to a recent article from the American Journal of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation. Some MDs are now trained in it (my preference). The history behind it and recent applications are worth reviewing to see if the treatment may fit your needs. Auriculotherapy is where a sequence of gold mini-darts or semipermanent needles are placed at up to five specific sites in one or both ears for a period of several days to relieve pain. Sounds a bit gruesome but it’s really not. The skin surface of the ear has mapped pain points that correspond to different parts of the body. Ancient Chinese, and recently the Germans and French, have studied this approach for a very long time. You can be the judge. Best of luck.

Battlefield Acupuncture: An Emerging Method for Easing Pain : American Journal of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation

[Laney16]

First of all, good luck.
Of course a lot depends on the cause, duratin and intensity of your pain.
My own PCP recommended Turmeric 500 mg 2 x day. take with food.
Massage has been a God send also for me.
A third, benign option is homeopathy.
If interested, I suggest you research these modalities at the National Institute of Health. They have done a great job providing good studies.
A good resource for herbs is Comsumerlab.com. its run by a M D who does metanalysus on supplements. Its a paid service but gives clear concise conclusions and tests for content & Impurities, etc. -also gives their top picks of products tested.
I'm sure there are also other modalities. I like an MD who is also is open to and knowledgable about more natural options.
Best of both worlds.

[bp243]

Originally Posted by Johnson072702

Look for someone that is certified in functional medician. I am working with one for several issues and it has been a God sent. Good luck

Would you please share your doctor? I'm looking for a functional holistic kind of doctor in the area. Thanks in advance!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by richl

Try experimenting with a combination of Tumeric Root and Circumin Root - Buy at the grocery store- shave small slivers and eat with breakfast. Did wonders for my L4 & L5 disks. Treatment for inflamation has been around for MANY YEARS,

So have con men, charlatans and snake oil......

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by blueash

I would encourage you to try cattle semen. This is available from many sources including local unregulated farms and even can be obtained yourself if you are a risk taker. I'd instead suggest using a recognized dealer Some people have tried other large mammals such as camels and spaniels. Yak is very commonly used in China, or so I have heard. Grizzly bear is a superior product to cattle but is very expensive and you need to be careful as it is so often mislabeled and diluted with Miracle Whip and other contaminants.

While there are no well done placebo controlled double blind studies supporting this product we all know that cowtilidge is important in joints. If calf pain is a issue, clearly this product is well aligned to help your discomfort. There are many you tube videos on how to properly use cattle semen. I'd recommend being sure you align your hips and shoulders exactly north/south when applying the product so that the magnetic field of the earth can properly activate it's healing properties.

While I do wish the OP find some relief somewhere, including non-allopathic approaches, I would point out that anecdotes and online testimonials are as useful as this post. Science advances when theories are tested, properly tested. Pseudo-science is not alternative or forward thinking. It may be complementary. It may provide benefit via some untested mechanism or via the powerful placebo effect. And it is 100% reasonable for patients who have not gotten benefit from well established approaches to try unproven ones. Just don't take their advise as any more based on science than my snarky first couple paragraphs complete with links. You really should watch the you tube video. People selling snake oil really do believe in it. They are not lying in their missionary zeal or purely profit motivated. They are lying to themselves.

Perfect!!!!!

[bp243]

Originally Posted by JRP2TV

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.

While talking with a chiropractor and asking this same question, he mentioned that his wife uses a holistic doctor in Naples. Evidently they conference/zoom call. Perhaps he might know someone in our area. Contact: Integrative MD, Dr. Lionel King, MD, Naples Vitality, 239-465-0098. There are no words when you live with daily pain. Good luck with finding the right match for you!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

A functional doctor as compared to a non-functional doctor?

Every doctor I've ever been to has functioned just fine.

Meanwhile: "Functional medicine" refers to the theoretical (and disproven) notion that gut health and adrenals are the "root cause" of just about any ailment. Sort of like when you go to a homeopathic practitioner and they do a blood test that tells you you're allergic to eggs, wheat, dairy, and green beans. What they don't tell you is that your test will show the same allergies as everyone else who takes the test. All it does is measure proteins. You're not really allergic to any of those things.

Quackery has become more sophisticated, as access to internet fraud has expanded.

Is that seriously what it means????? What a crock!!!!! That's even worse than chiropractors blaming all illness on "spine misalignment" (which they call subluxation to sound intelligent). Just goes to show there are more quacks than ducks in this world. Unfortunately, those that have no good treatment or cure fall easy prey to these snake oil salesmen

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Is that seriously what it means????? What a crock!!!!! That's even worse than chiropractors blaming all illness on "spine misalignment" (which they call subluxation to sound intelligent). Just goes to show there are more quacks than ducks in this world. Unfortunately, those that have no good treatment or cure fall easy prey to these snake oil salesmen

When I was studying aromatherapy I also had to study the following subjects:

alternative therapies: alt-med, holistic health, naturopathy, homeopathy, chiropractic, accupuncture/pressure, reiki, adjunct and complementary therapies, functional medicine, the term "allopathy" and its origins.

Also, I had to learn what the FDA and the DEA had to say about various raw ingredients and essential oils, and I had to learn the national safety data on any oil I was studying that week.

What each of them meant, what each of them included, the upsides and downsides of each, who/what they -could- be used for, who/what they could -not- be used for, possible side effects, potential allergy issues, when to seek licensed medical practitioner help (which turned out to be "most of the time", etc.

That's the primary reason why I know so much about medicine, in general, and in particular - quackery and fraud. I was required to learn about it in order to become a certified aromatherapist. I only "practiced" it seriously for a year, but I enjoyed it more as a hobby and gave it up. I still have some of my oils though and use them mostly for perfuming (though I do still add a drop of ceylon cinnamon oil to my sweet potato casserole).

[JRP2TV]

Originally Posted by NotGolfer

I heard of PEMF from a seminar put on by a doctor from TVHealth a couple of years ago. I was a bit skeptical but a trial period (w/out purchasing a unit) was given so I thought I'd give it a go. THEN via one of my FB support sites I heard of this as well AND a unit (different company and not a MLM business) that could be purchased through the company for far less than the unit I'd first been introduced to. It's also small and you can take it anywhere. I actually invested in two. I have degenerative disc disease, RA, fibromyalgia to name a few pain inducing conditions. I believe my PEMF unit(s) do help. They're quite different than TENS (which I also had purchased some years before) in that you can't really feel anything. Back in the day I tried the YL oils---when you have pain you will try anything. All they are, are nice smelling and for me they didn't work.

That looks interesting. Thank you!