[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Seems to be working well in the UK.

Badly strained UK hospitals to delay non-urgent procedures

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

My brother lived in Canada and had the very best health care with no problems. He passed from a gioblstoma brain tumor and had the finest care and hospice care before he passed.

If you have never lived in Canada and needed health care you have no right to put the health care down.

Every month I get a shot in the eye for wet macular - I have just returned from a Christmas cruise where I was fortunate to meet one of the foremost Retina specialists in Canada, he is just across the border from Detroit. I have the best insurance you can buy and yet my eye shot is Avastin at $50 a shot, the Canadian specialist uses Lucentis which costs $1,800 per shot and the Canadian Govt. allows it under their health care!

It is one of my pet peeves that people sound off about something they know nothing about.

I have a good friend that moved here from Canada and became a citizen because he couldn't get the treatment he needed.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

From a Canadian ...
I love our health care system and have had no problems at all finding a doctor or seeing a doctor.
I've received the very best health care including two knee replacements.

To all of us that have been propagandized this testimonial is exactly what I am used to. I lived on the Canadian border most of my life with many Canadian friends. They do not complain about their health care system. Matter of fact they are quite proud of it. Sure there are instances when they seek other alternatives - just like us going to Schantz.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by rustyp

For majority of seniors in 2018 will be $134/mo. You are correct it is tied to income. Easy enough to look up.

Yes, this is the individual cost. But what is the total premium? How much is the Government paying or are expenses accrued just covered out of funds provided by Congress? For example my policy from my employer had a premium of $1200 per month. The employee paid 20% and the company paid 80% of the premium.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

From a Canadian ...
I love our health care system and have had no problems at all finding a doctor or seeing a doctor.
I've received the very best health care including two knee replacements.

Couple of questions:

Total Canadian Population vs US Population?
Average Taxes paid on income? Say $100,000 income.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Couple of questions:

Total Canadian Population vs US Population?
Average Taxes paid on income? Say $100,000 income.

To put it in perspective, Canada has less population than the state of California!
Our health-care system was initiated slowly and carefully, starting in 1947.
Never mind income tax which is huge, we pay many taxes on everything we buy.
We are amazed at the low cost of food and wine and hydro and eating out in Florida.
Still, in spite of our high taxes which are necessary to carry the health-care system, I'm glad we have it.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

To put it in perspective, Canada has less population than the state of California!
Our health-care system was initiated slowly and carefully, starting in 1947.
Never mind income tax which is huge, we pay many taxes on everything we buy.
We are amazed at the low cost of food and wine and hydro and eating out in Florida.
Still, in spite of our high taxes which are necessary to carry the health-care system, I'm glad we have it.

I guess that brings us to the first question that needs to be answered: Are US Citizens willing to pay the $$$ necessary to have a single payer centrally run Health Care System? Everything is possible its the price that is in question. I personally have never had a problem with my US Health Care. It works.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

I guess that brings us to the first question that needs to be answered: Are US Citizens willing to pay the $$$ necessary to have a single payer centrally run Health Care System?

Exactly. I sincerely doubt that most US citizens would agree to huge tax increases.
And of course that is pure speculation, perhaps they would.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Exactly. I sincerely doubt that most US citizens would agree to huge tax increases.
And of course that is pure speculation, perhaps they would.

I guess other questions that need to be answered: Do you believe everyone is entitled to Health Insurance or Health Care? And if so, who do you believe should provide it? Or is this something you have to provide through your achievements? Who is responsible for the quality of your life?

[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I have a good friend that moved here from Canada and became a citizen because he couldn't get the treatment he needed.

Dr. Boogie, back up your statement please. When did he legally get into the USA and what was the problem he needed treatment for that he could not get in Canada?

It takes "an act of God" to get a Canadian into the USA legally now -

[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

I guess other questions that need to be answered: Do you believe everyone is entitled to Health Insurance or Health Care? And if so, who do you believe should provide it? Or is this something you have to provide through your achievements? Who is responsible for the quality of your life?

I will reverse your questions on you :

What do we do with people who are absolutely unable to take care of themselves? They had work houses in England back in the 1800s. Germany had gas chambers. The third world countries manage to leave their indigents dying in the road ............ Seriously, if you make a statement like yours you HAVE to have an acceptable answer.

This country of ours is a GREAT country built on Christian principles. We built this country on the backs of people who were expendable in their own countries. There is sufficient money in this country to take care of people who are truly in need. Unfortunately many of the richest people in this country would rather fund political parties than put their money to good use helping those less fortunate.

In my opinion, which is worth probably nothing, it comes down to lack of care for our fellow man who is less fortunate. Thank goodness for the Salvation Army and other such groups that do their Christian best to take care of people in need.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

I will reverse your questions on you :

What do we do with people who are absolutely unable to take care of themselves? They had work houses in England back in the 1800s. Germany had gas chambers. The third world countries manage to leave their indigents dying in the road ............ Seriously, if you make a statement like yours you HAVE to have an acceptable answer.

This country of ours is a GREAT country built on Christian principles. We built this country on the backs of people who were expendable in their own countries. There is sufficient money in this country to take care of people who are truly in need. Unfortunately many of the richest people in this country would rather fund political parties than put their money to good use helping those less fortunate.

In my opinion, which is worth probably nothing, it comes down to lack of care for our fellow man who is less fortunate. Thank goodness for the Salvation Army and other such groups that do their Christian best to take care of people in need.

Nailed it!!

....

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

To put it in perspective, Canada has less population than the state of California!
Our health-care system was initiated slowly and carefully, starting in 1947.
Never mind income tax which is huge, we pay many taxes on everything we buy.
We are amazed at the low cost of food and wine and hydro and eating out in Florida.
Still, in spite of our high taxes which are necessary to carry the health-care system, I'm glad we have it.

While there will always be those anecdotal stories of... "I have a friend from Canada who had problems with Canadian health care"...of the thousands of Canadians I have known or talked to in my life, the overwhelming majority (just a guess, but probably around 80%)...feel the exact same way as yourself.


My observations seem to be backed up by actual facts.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

By an overwhelming margin, Canadians prefer the Canadian health care system to the American one. Overall, 82% said they preferred the Canadian system, fully ten times the number who said the American system is superior (8%)....from a Harris-Decima poll (.pdf), July 2009. .

The vast majority of Canadians, 91 per cent, felt that Canada's health care system was better than the United States...CTV, a Canadian television network, Jun. 29 2008, reporting on a survey, conducted by the Strategic Counsel for CTV and The Globe and Mail.

In November 2004, Canadians voted Tommy Douglas, Canada's 'father of Medicare'") the Greatest Canadian of all time following a nationwide contest."... CBC

People in Canada and Great Britain are significantly more satisfied with availability of affordable healthcare than their American counterparts ...Gallup Poll, March, 2003

[collie1228]

The cost of administration of the U.S. health care industry is the main reason we pay more than any other developed country and rank near or at the bottom for quality of care. Our system pays insurance companies to manage and perform as gatekeepers of care, which is a major burden to the system. Single payer would save most of this cost, but introduces a new gatekeeper, your federal government. I like to think I'm a libertarian who wants the government to leave me alone, but I have to admit, I love my Medicare Advantage plan.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

I will reverse your questions on you :

What do we do with people who are absolutely unable to take care of themselves? They had work houses in England back in the 1800s. Germany had gas chambers. The third world countries manage to leave their indigents dying in the road ............ Seriously, if you make a statement like yours you HAVE to have an acceptable answer.

This country of ours is a GREAT country built on Christian principles. We built this country on the backs of people who were expendable in their own countries. There is sufficient money in this country to take care of people who are truly in need. Unfortunately many of the richest people in this country would rather fund political parties than put their money to good use helping those less fortunate.

In my opinion, which is worth probably nothing, it comes down to lack of care for our fellow man who is less fortunate. Thank goodness for the Salvation Army and other such groups that do their Christian best to take care of people in need.

Why is it when a legitimate question is raised about being responsible, people go to some extreme negative which is far outside of any human dignity today. The question is: "Who is responsible for your Life?" This nation was built on people that did not ask for a hand out. Who understood you get what you work for and no one owes you anything. Now after saying that we would not be much of a Christian based nation if we ignored those that need help, and we do not. People get Health Care when they need it, FREE. At least for them, but the rest of us pay that bill in one way or another. The questions I propose set the foundation to building a plan to fix the problem. Who is responsible for your life and how do we implement a system that drives that point, while providing a necessary service to the community?