[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

People that are refusing the vaccines are doing so as they are not FDA approved, they feel their risk of getting it or becoming seriously ill and/or dying is very little based on statistics, and the long term effects of the vaccines are unknown.

Propaganda talking.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bucco

No doubt true, yet many are mocking people who got vaccinated, and are literally begging people to listen to reason. This continues loudly on that network, and makes you wonder what exactly they are rooting for.

Don’t get it, give your reasons, but the mocking and giggling, the laughing at people who are asking us to take this seriously is not acceptable to me, but not surprising with this source

I agree!

[Bucco]

[QUOTE=Patriceunger;1970632]Agree, and that responsibility comes with presenting all the facts about the vaccines, not just cherry pick what suits one side of the debate. Different personalities on FOX have different feelings about the vaccines just like all Americans do, and all facts should be presented which is what newscasts are supposed to be about.[/QUOTE

I believe the folks to whom you refer are not news folks, but simply reading what an editor thinks will grab some headlines.

There in lies the problem, when you watch Fox, or perhaps any of the cable outlets, they mix it up and it is almost over impossible to distinguish news, from whatever talk is supposed to be. ALL facts DO need to be given, and hope you know there is no difference between lying by commission and lying by omission. I have yet, and admittedly only watch in little dribs and drabs, seen any, not one Fox person give the entire story on
Faucci, only the tall tale of the day.

Many has made errors, and admitted them as have most of the scientific family trying to protect the country. On Fox, you pretty much will hear only what fits their narrative. Hannity or Carlson may sheepishly admit they got the vaccine and then launch into one of the Qanon tales about firing him. They have pretty much set out to destroy him.

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Propaganda talking.

Actually, these are facts that matter to people, not propaganda.

[Pat2015]

The exact same points can be made about CNN which has the lowest news ratings of all the cable news networks, as you see their spin and parts of quotes and stories that fit their narrative and talking points of the day. Best to seek out middle ground instead of bingeing on either of them to find out what’s really going on in the country and the world.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by Guitarman1951

Your statement about "natural selection" is offensive and shameful. We are talking about fellow Americans so don't talk down about them.

What do you say to those "fellow Americans" who refuse to get vaccinated thus jeopardizing us all???
It's time it is said....CDC reports 98% of the hospitalizations and 99% of the deaths now are from the UN-VACCINATED!!!! Maybe it is time to start thinking it is better if the virus takes down the unvaccinated quickly before they can spread it.

Never thought I'd go there but the anti-vaxers have put me in that spot.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by justjim

With reporting there are always some mistakes. Some believe there were a number who died from Covid even before they started testing. The point is that thousands no doubt have died from this virus and the vaccine is keeping more thousands protected. If you are able medically please get the vaccine.

I never said not to get vaccinated...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Smart people CAN die in an accident. Smart people do NOT die from CV because they have been vaccinated. One death is mostly unavoidable and the other is completely avoidable.

Simply not true. People who have been vaccinated HAVE died...

[Becca9800]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;1970565]

Originally Posted by CFrance

We can make whatever excuse we want for these people, but in reality they suffer from life-changing paralyzing FEAR. PARANOIA. that's all. They will vehemently deny it, but despite all we know, they continue to believe they are protecting themselves with a mask, even though all the evidence shows it only does a little to protect those around us. They are not being altruistic, they are not protecting the rest of us by continuing to wear a mask alone, they are very simply AFRAID. Someone suggested they are only wearing it to prevent allergies. Fine. But if that is the case, where were all the pedestrians, cyclists, cart and car drivers wearing a mask pre-COVID? Did anyone see any? So if someone wants to say they've been wearing a mask while cycling for 10 years, I'll take their word for it, but that person would be the exception and does not explain the hundreds that are still wearing a mask. At a community theater production last night in a theater of 100-125, there were at least 20 wearing a mask. Were they allergic to the play? Were they immunocompromised and in reverse isolation? I don't think so.
And you know what? If they would just state they are wearing it out of fear, that would be OK also. Stupid, but OK. But instead they make every excuse in the book for wearing it, so obviously they are concealing their true reasoning (or lack thereof)
Sorry if that is offensive to the <1% of the population it describes, but the truth is the truth, even if some won't face it.

Ha! Haha! Hardly life-changing fear or paranoia. If that's what you need to believe, go on then.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by thelegges

Yes they are. And reviewing old death certificates that were not tested, and possible change to Covid related. Don’t forget every facility gets $$$ for each case.

Our best friends son stage 4 Mets to lung, brain, his Mom (hospice nurse) did his hospice in their home, never out in public, for 4 months. Not tested. His certificate is in review to change to Covid. He was 29

Our best friend, he and his wife both Anesthesiologists, she was stage 4, Mets, septic. Hospice in home by her husband, at their 25 acre cottage, for 3 months, No outside contact. Cardiac Arrest on their way to hospital, did CPR in the parking lot of rest area. Pronounced at scene. Never tested Certificate in review for possible Covid Death. She was 62.

So two examples close to my heart, families are fighting the change in cause of death, that is in review.

So many of these examples out there that it should be impossible to not take notice. But...

[camaguey48]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Another example of the media using a small sample set and blowing it out of proportion. Currently, the 7 day average Covid death rate in the US is 166. That means you are 2.5 times more likely to die in an accident than you would be to die from Covid. So it’s a good thing that you stayed locked down during that violent hurricane, because the likelihood of being killed by flying debris was higher than dying from Covid...

You mean the ministry of propaganda and public enlightenment? Da?

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

IF this is political and it's the previous president's following that are refusing to get the vaccine, wouldn't it be nice if he made a public announcement that all of his followers do exactly what he did and get vaccinated.
He could be so effective and useful in doing this.

I am not chastising these people for their beliefs or support in him, they are fighting the system with his iron fist behind them.
But....he got the shot!!....
Follow his lead, side with him, get vaccinated.

I don't care that T got the vaccine, nor would I follow his direction to do so. THE one thing I hold against him, rushing this vaccine through without the usual testing. I hope he doesn't one day regret wanting all the credit for this vaccine. He may live to regret it. I, believe it or not, can think for myself. So that kinda shoots the theory that this is a political decision, doesn't it?

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=Becca9800;1970815]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Ha! Haha! Hardly life-changing fear or paranoia. If that's what you need to believe, go on then.

Then what do YOU think it is????? Remember---there is absolutely no medical reason to wear a mask when cycling alone, not even at the height of the pandemic, so give me a alternative reason that makes sense.

[Becca9800]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;1970828]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

Then what do YOU think it is????? Remember---there is absolutely no medical reason to wear a mask when cycling alone, not even at the height of the pandemic, so give me a alternative reason that makes sense.

Oops. <head hanging> I misunderstood your response on the first read. I thought you were referencing the "anti-vaxxers", didn't understand that you were dissing the "pro-maskers". I was wrong, I take it back, and I apologize. Please forgive.

[JMintzer]

[QUOTE=Becca9800;1970832]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Oops. <head hanging> I misunderstood your response on the first read. I thought you were referencing the "anti-vaxxers", didn't understand that you were dissing the "pro-maskers". I was wrong, I take it back, and I apologize. Please forgive.