[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Right as usual. Our friend has been banned from broccoli for that very reason.

There is a lot of information we must wade through before we come to a conclusion, check the conclusion and come to a final conclusion...about ANYTHING.

Or we can take the advice of someone who we have chosen to guide our general health who has completed usually upwards of twelve years of education on the subject and has further gained knowledge by on hands care of patients over the years and has evaluated the tests and examinations and behavior exhibited by YOU.

MOST people are usually aware of the benefits of exercise, cutting back on fat and sweets, decreasing meat and increasing fruit and vegetables.

There is no shame in taking the medicines or helpful supplements that your doctor thinks will improve your health.
Some people think that all prescription medication is a huge scam. Actually many common prescribed medicines are making us healthier, increasing our years of life and improving the quality of life.

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[jimbo2012]

Agree one shouldn't follow the Internet blindly, but it's articles like this that provoke asking the right questions of your health professional.

Including a nutritionist.

I stopped taking fish oil two years ago because we eliminated ALL oils in our diet...but that's another issue

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by billethkid

We take fish oil every day. My wife is on warfarin and I am on plavix.
She gets her blood level checked every month....almost 20 years no problem.

Both of our cardiologists are well aware with no commentary. They are more concerned with one eating too many dark green veggies for unplanned blood thinning than they are for fish oil.

Just ask your doctor + do some research and make your own INFORMED decision.

btk

If there's a test for blood being too thin, what's it called?

[skyc6]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

If there's a test for blood being too thin, what's it called?

I would guess it is called Bleeding! When blood is too thin, bleeding can occur easily. I also agree that health professionals should collaborate with their patients regarding all health concerns, and I really don't think dispensing health suggestions for everyone is advisable, as well intentioned as one might be. If the wrong person takes this advise, it could have dangerous results.

[pooh]

Asprin doesn't really "thin" blood, it just slows down clotting time....it slows down the time it takes for blood platelets to form clots.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by skyc6

I would guess it is called Bleeding! When blood is too thin, bleeding can occur easily. I also agree that health professionals should collaborate with their patients regarding all health concerns, and I really don't think dispensing health suggestions for everyone is advisable, as well intentioned as one might be. If the wrong person takes this advise, it could have dangerous results.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

If there's a test for blood being too thin, what's it called?

Some info here...

Prothrombin Time (PT) Blood Test for Clotting Time

http://surgery.about.com/od/beforesu...TTINRtests.htm

[billethkid]

The test for the "!thin/thick" of the blood is called INR.
People who are on blood thinners like Coumadin or warfarin must have this check done regularly
. My wife has hers done once per month. The most up to date methods take a blood sample and within minutes obtain the results. And at times dosages are adjusted based on the too thick or too thin results.

btk

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by billethkid

We take fish oil every day. My wife is on warfarin and I am on plavix.
She gets her blood level checked every month....almost 20 years no problem.

Both of our cardiologists are well aware with no commentary. They are more concerned with one eating too many dark green veggies for unplanned blood thinning than they are for fish oil.

Just ask your doctor + do some research and make your own INFORMED decision.

btk

Okay, btk, I did my research and here's what I found. Your doctors couldn't be more wrong about dark green veggies being a risk for unplanned blood thinning. Dark green veggies may have some blood thinning quality but that effect would be balanced by vitamin K that most green vegetables contain. Vitamin K is important because it helps blood to clot in case of bleeding from whatever cause. You can't fool nature; nature provides balance!

However, once you have decided to "stray" from nature and get under the care of a doctor who precribes all kinds of meds, you had better follow his advice. For example, vitamin K can interfere with some anticoagulant drugs.

P.S. Thanks for the information about the INR blood test.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Okay, btk, I did my research and here's what I found. Your doctors couldn't be more wrong about dark green veggies being a risk for unplanned blood thinning. Dark green veggies may have some blood thinning quality but that effect would be balanced by vitamin K that most green vegetables contain. Vitamin K is important because it helps blood to clot in case of bleeding from whatever cause. You can't fool nature; nature provides balance!

However, once you have decided to "stray" from nature and get under the care of a doctor who precribes all kinds of meds, you had better follow his advice. For example, vitamin K can interfere with some anticoagulant drugs.

P.S. Thanks for the information about the INR blood test.

It isn't straying from nature to consult a doctor who prescribes all kinds of medicines. The right medicine can add many years and better quality to many lives.

Care should be taken with eating green leafy vegetables and eating the right amount if you are on Coumadin or other medicines taken to lower the risk of stroke.

Broccoli And Blood Clots | LIVESTRONG.COM

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Okay, btk, I did my research and here's what I found. Your doctors couldn't be more wrong about dark green veggies being a risk for unplanned blood thinning. Dark green veggies may have some blood thinning quality but that effect would be balanced by vitamin K that most green vegetables contain. Vitamin K is important because it helps blood to clot in case of bleeding from whatever cause. You can't fool nature; nature provides balance!

However, once you have decided to "stray" from nature and get under the care of a doctor who precribes all kinds of meds, you had better follow his advice. For example, vitamin K can interfere with some anticoagulant drugs.

P.S. Thanks for the information about the INR blood test.

Your assessment he could not be more wrong is totally incorrect!

We are not straying from nature...just doing the smart, prudent thing to remain alive.

When one has a condition that could be life threatening life blood clots forming for any number of conditions, then medication to prevent the clots from forming and threatening ones life is the correct/smart thing to do....natural or not.

btk

PS Everytime I read your not so oblique message about doing what is natural it starts to get me warmer each time.....If my wife or I would have relied on natures balance to save the day one or both of us would not be here today. Very inappropriate commentary!!!!!!

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Your assessment he could not be more wrong is totally incorrect!

We are not straying from nature...just doing the smart, prudent thing to remain alive.

When one has a condition that could be life threatening life blood clots forming for any number of conditions, then medication to prevent the clots from forming and threatening ones life is the correct/smart thing to do....natural or not.


btk

Yes, we are in agreement. Once it has been established that you have developed heart disease, the smart thing to do is follow your doctor's advice.

However, if his statement about green vegetables was aimed at the average person, then he is just plain ignorant about green vegetables. If you say otherwise, show me the proof.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It isn't straying from nature to consult a doctor who prescribes all kinds of medicines. The right medicine can add many years and better quality to many lives.

Here's what I had in mind when I said what I said. The part about "straying from nature" pertains to everything that happens over a lifetime, i.e., continuous long-term lifestyle habits. However, once that lifestyle is firmly in place and heart disease has been established, what other choice is there but to be under the care of a heart doctor? Especially if there's no desire, intention or ability to change those lifestyle habits.

Care should be taken with eating green leafy vegetables and eating the right amount if you are on Coumadin or other medicines taken to lower the risk of stroke.

Yes, exactly, in my post I said, "....vitamin K can interfere with some anticoagulant drugs."

Broccoli And Blood Clots | LIVESTRONG.COM

Your link provided a lot of the same information that I found when I did my research. And it more or less proves the ignorance of any doctor who suggests that dark green vegetables are anything less than healthful for the average person.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Yes, we are in agreement. Once it has been established that you have developed heart disease, the smart thing to do is follow your doctor's advice.

However, if his statement about green vegetables was aimed at the average person, then he is just plain ignorant about green vegetables. If you say otherwise, show me the proof.

You are once again wrong in your conclusion.
My first post was not an oration for the "average person" it was about my wife and I.

My second post clarified that very fact yet you continue to throw out words to generate heat like "ignorance" followed by "show me proof".
It is one thing to have a. Position and a belief or an opinion, it is quite another to create a challenge where none was needed in the first place.
Sorta like ready, fire aim approach.

Btk

[zonerboy]

It's called risk-benefit analysis. And it's not an easy task.
As a retired physician this is a very basic concept. Every pharmaceutical medication has definite risks (side effects, reactions, whatever you want to call them). Some of these are very serious, even life threatening. But they also have specific benefits, which are very real. So the problem is figuring out whether the benefits outweigh any potential risks. Do not try to do this yourself. Do not rely on the advice of friends or people who post on blogs (who like to pretend they know what they are talking about). Use a professional.
The same goes for vitamins and nutritional supplements (even dietary regimens). They have benefits, yes. But they are definitely not risk free. And always remember that what may be good for one person, is not necessarily good for all persons. Doctors may or may not be good nutritionists, and nutritionist may know very little about treating disease.
Be careful out there
Pax vobiscum.