[Mikee1]

3 pages of "expert" key board warriors, stating or defending their "expert" opinion. Does anyone really think they are going to sway someone with their "expert" opinion? Why not get a hobby that helps folks, like volunteering at a hospital, animal shelter, etc, etc. There you can actually do some good. Beating on your keyboard on here for topics like this accomplishes nothing, why waste your time?

[doodles]

Bottom line is most retired seniors like to travel and
WITHOUT the vaccine you won’t be allowed on planes, cruise ships etc. you also won’t be allowed in a lot of other countries

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by doodles

Bottom line is most retired seniors like to travel and
WITHOUT the vaccine you won’t be allowed on planes, cruise ships etc. you also won’t be allowed in a lot of other countries

Pure speculation at the moment. Hopefully, more rational thinking will prevail and this will NOT come to pass. Need to get through the worldwide vaccination process before this will be an issue.

[Trynforpar]

Very detailed explanation to most of the concerns I have. Going for my 2nd Moderna vaccine on Friday. Great video.

[nhtexasrn]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Ok, so 10 years of testing as a SARS, MERS vaccine and over 100,000 test subjects doesn't count? The only difference is the tweak from SARS to SARS-cov-2.

Registered Nurse here and I agree. I know many people in the medical field getting the vaccine and I am one of them! I also got small pox vaccine, polio vaccine, flu shot every year, etc. etc. As I understand it, no steps in testing were skipped, but done simultaneously which usually is not the case.

[airstreamingypsy]

Originally Posted by dms4rn

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

My BFF is an RN, she got the vaccine as soon as she could. I think people should listen to experts, like Fauci, instead of some random person who claims to be an RN.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

Have you not ever heard or seen the hundreds of drugs manufactured by pharmaceutical companies over the years that went through extensive research and testing, put out on the market only to be recalled after there has been many repercussions, severe reactions, cancer, deaths....and everyone of them was cleared by the FDA for use? These vaccines have had no longevity study, but you do whatever you feel comfortable with and leave the rest of us to make our own educated decisions.

Absolutely, I have heard of adverse effects of drugs. Thalidomide comes to mind from years ago and more recently, Vioxx was taken off the market. It is always a risk taking any type of drug. The benefit must outweigh the risk. We are all adults and can make up our own minds as to how much risk we are willing to take vs the benefit.

This is how I see it......I'm not willing to risk having a bad outcome from Covid, including death. I look forward to the day I can finally be free of these damn masks and feel safe out and about in the community maskless. The vaccine gives me that freedom and the feeling of being safe very soon. One of these days, I believe we will all be free to go out and about maskless. Folks who are vaccinated will have a higher level of safety, IMHO, and I embrace those odds.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Dr. Kirsten Lyke ... from the video ... referring to side effects:

"in general, it's nothing to fear. It's our own immune systems kicking in and doing what it's supposed to do".

Well, everyone's immune system kicks in and does what it's supposed to do WITHOUT getting an mRNA shot (not a vaccine).

Not getting the shot (not a vaccine) ever. It's not a matter of how safe it is or how effective it is. It is a matter of a free American making a personal choice that is no one else's business.

To me, that sounds like you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. My goodness, even if you were to be given a guarantee that these mRNA vaccines are perfectly safe and as effective as the efficacy has been reported from the trials, you STILL would not take the vaccine just to prove it is your right to refuse it? Is that what you are saying?

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Utube for medical advice, or explanation, is there a office visit charge? Sorry I listen to the 6 medical professionals who actually know me, and can give professional advice, on facts of the patient, not a general analogy. Most who are refusing are medical professionals themselves.

this is true. several of my heathcare team are NOT getting it, including my dr., or so he says. he also doesn't 'push' the flu shot for me either.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by davephan

No one is being forced to take the COVID-19 vaccination. If you’re doctor recommended not taking the vaccination, I’d suggest getting a second or third opinion from another doctor at another clinic or hospital.

Currently, 29% of the seniors in Florida had at least one vaccination shot, and 16% had both vaccination shot. In a month from now, 42% of seniors will have had at least one vaccination shot, and 29% will have had both vaccination shots. At that rate, it will take about three months to vaccinate all the seniors in Florida.

It’s you’re choice to opt out of the COVID-19 vaccination if you are afraid of the possible bad outcome of taking the vaccination shots. However, you are then accepting the risks and implications of getting COVID-19. But you are also saving vaccination shots for the rest of society, to get their vaccination shots a little quicker.

Eventually, not having the vaccination shot could deny you air travel, cruises, mass transit, and other large crowd gatherings. Perhaps your health insurance costs might increase too. It’s not hard to envision future implementations of not being vaccinated.

If the reasons to not be vaccinated were valid, you would probably have seen a lot more bad reactions to the vaccinations by this time.

I do agree with everything you said in this post. However, I would like to comment on your wording of "bad reactions". I'm just wondering what some folks are considering "bad reactions". Are the body aches, fever, severe headaches, and muscle pain considered "bad reactions"? Not to me. I embraced my kick ass response to that second vaccination shot. My reaction was a signal to me that my immune system is functioning at a high level for the old body I have and I was so thankful to that reaction.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Actually, no. That can also happen if enough people are exposed to the virus and their God-given immune systems respond and create and immunity.

Now you sound like that quack, Scott Atlas. It has already been determined that there would be too many deaths if herd immunity is reached naturally. Survival of the fittest would wipe out too much of our population. I can not believe anyone in their right mind would advocate such a thing.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

Please everybody. Stop. Take it if it feels good. Move along with your lives and mind your business. Give it a rest, please.

You had every right NOT to click on this thread and read it. It's not like it was a secret what this thread is about. I made very clear in the title what the discussion would be. Intelligent discussion should never be quelled so the MYOB suggestion is laughable.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Really? You give any consideration that possibly millions will have a long-term adverse reaction such as an auto-immune condition from mRNA running wild in your cells? You have that crystal ball?

Read about how these mRNA vaccines actually work. Please do not offer misinformation. Here you go. Read all about it......

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Let's see, if there have been at least as many asymptomatic cases as there have been confirmed cases (27M) that means about 54M people in the US have been infected so far.

If the current fatality rate among confirmed cases is 1.5% then that means the overall fatality rate including asymptomatic infections is about 0.75%.

If you need 80% of the population to be immune then with 300M people in the US that would be 240M infections.

At a fatality rate of 0.75%, 240M infections would lead to 1,800,000 deaths. Since we are close to 500,000 deaths today, that means only 1,300,000 more people would be expected to die for enough people to be exposed to the virus and their God-given immune systems to respond and give immunity.

So, we can move forward with the vaccine or we can look forward to 1,300,000 more deaths: I know what my choice is.

What I said but without all the stats. Very good. Thank you. I''l say it again......Scott Atlas is a quack!!!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Johnsocat

Who knows what the "long haul" after effects of the virus are? Additionally, no one knows what the "long haul" effects of the RNA vaccine are?
Seems you are accepting risk either way..

Agree. But......each person must make their own risk assessment and decide if the benefit outweighs the risk.