[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is the latest information from the CDC about the mRNA vaccines. Those folks "on the fence" about taking one of the mRNA vaccines may want to watch this video......

Vaccine side effects are actually a good thing - YouTube

Was curious to see the "other side of the story" so I clicked on the link. The video has been pulled due to "False Information" and "Checked by independent fact checkers".

Taking the shots is not just a matter of "INDIVIDUAL" choice because it affects American society in particular and LIKELY the whole human race. Sounds too overblown, does it? Maybe like an "end of the world" scenario or a "B" movie? Not so! here is the logic behind my 1st statement - if there are around 30% of the people that refuse the vaccines, like the number in yesterday's thread on the subject, then the US and later the whole world do NOT achieve herd immunity - we have a problem! Houston !!!! WE need herd immunity to drop the CV new cases to near ZERO - then we can use contact tracing to finish off the Virus.

If we don't get BUY-IN from the anti-vaxxers by this summer or fall, then we will ALL be stuck with CV for years. And the VIRUS is not going to stay constant - it has shown already the capability to mutate toward INCREASED transmissibility and deadliness! Getting the vaccine or not is MORE than a casual, individual choice. It involves the possibility of systemic social destruction - basically, a nightmare situation! I am NOT guaranteeing or predicting this nightmare. I am just saying that it is a possibility - the odds of which can not be quantifiable.

Some other things are also going on now. We have both large TV personalities and DARK, obscure small TV networks like OAN that emphasize the side effects of the vaccines and de-emphasize the benefits. Parler gives out propaganda to sway the opinions of the anti-vaxxers. And Russian propaganda bots start the propaganda rolling. We need to be aware of the total downside of anti-vaxxer choice. There is MORE going on here than just American patriotism and preference for unlimited choice. We do not live on the frontier any longer.

[Hplaw]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

Thank you...as a nurse of 30 years, totally agree...

I wonder if it is just in the Florida area where you work where people in the medical field are refusing the vaccine. Here in MI, they were vaccinating 1,200 per day at The University of Michigan Medical and the couple of nurses I spoke with during a visit could not wait to get the vaccine and protect themselves and see their family.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MrLonzo

The video is just a long way of saying that experiencing side effects from the vaccine indicates that it's working. What they don't answer is if you DON'T experience any side effects from the vaccine (as in my case), does that mean it's NOT working?

Every article I have read about side effects or lack of side effects all say that you are still protected even if you have no side effects after the second shot. This is just an example......

I Got the COVID-19 Vaccine – Now What?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by dms4rn

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

That so-called "face diaper" is pretty popular in Australia where both CV and the common Flu have been dramatically reduced - especially compared to the US. Surgeons wear "face diapers" in surgery.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GRACEALLEMAN

This is propaganda. I know of several people who got very very ill after taking it. One almost died. Why would you take a vaccine that just came out, are you the one that purchases a car a new model, and then to find out later on that it was the worst engine that ever was invented or something blew up that you should have waited at least a year until you see how many of them die on the road

Both vaccines and modern cars have improved and their reliability is high!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Dr. Kirsten Lyke ... from the video ... referring to side effects:

"in general, it's nothing to fear. It's our own immune systems kicking in and doing what it's supposed to do".

Well, everyone's immune system kicks in and does what it's supposed to do WITHOUT getting an mRNA shot (not a vaccine).

Not getting the shot (not a vaccine) ever. It's not a matter of how safe it is or how effective it is. It is a matter of a free American making a personal choice that is no one else's business.

That would be fine - but we don't live on the frontier any longer. John Wayne is long gone.

[coffeebean]

This is a comment I originally did not respond to but decided I will respond now. I believe this response is directed at the video I posted in my original post on this thread.....

Originally Posted by GRACEALLEMAN
"This is propaganda. I know of several people who got very very ill after taking it. One almost died."

When you say, "very, very ill", exactly what symptoms did these people have? Were they common side effects of the vaccine such as fever, chills, body aches, muscle aches, severe headache and any of the other well documented side effects and reactions to the mRNA vaccines?

What happened to the person who "almost died"? Was that a reaction to the vaccine or did that severe side effect occur from something unrelated to the vaccine? Did that person who "almost died" report it to the proper authorities so they could investigate the cause of such a severe reaction that almost caused death?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Mikee1

3 pages of "expert" key board warriors, stating or defending their "expert" opinion. Does anyone really think they are going to sway someone with their "expert" opinion? Why not get a hobby that helps folks, like volunteering at a hospital, animal shelter, etc, etc. There you can actually do some good. Beating on your keyboard on here for topics like this accomplishes nothing, why waste your time?

I have the time and enjoy putting my thoughts into words and print. That is the purpose of ANY forum.

[vermonster]

Originally Posted by dms4rn

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

Sorry, but I must challenge that assertion that I have seen several times. Without doing a complete statistical analysis, just a simple calculation should suffice:
from the front page of the Daily Sun, 29179 deaths in FL/1821937 x 100 = 1.6%.
Moreover, given that deaths lag infections, the death rate is probably closer to 2%. For the age group of most of the people in The Villages, the death rate is multiple times that. So please don't throw statistics around if you don't understand how they work.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

I'm sorry, I don't agree with you...its really not a free American making a free choice...that statement is as irresponsible as a person with AIDS having unprotected sex and not informing the partner. Please people, use your brains.....it really not "all about you"

Agreed !

[Dan9871]

Originally Posted by vermonster

from the front page of the Daily Sun, 29179 deaths in FL/1821937 x 100 = 1.6%.
Moreover, given that deaths lag infections, the death rate is probably closer to 2%.

The number you are using as the denominator, 1821937, is the reported number of COVID cases in Florida.

Almost all deaths are reported though they are somewhat delayed. However the CDC says that only about 1 in 5 infections are reported ( Estimated Disease Burden of COVID-19 | CDC ). So 1821937 x 4.6 is a better estimate of the number of actual cases in Florida.

And along with that a better estimate of the fatality rate in Florida is:

100 x 29179 / (1821937 x 4.6 )

Which works out to about 0.4%, or 99.6% survival rate.

[flflowers]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Read about how these mRNA vaccines actually work. Please do not offer misinformation. Here you go. Read all about it......

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

All that sounds great if you did not ever research or study the information on the "other" side. By definition it is not even a "vaccine"......the same protein is also the protein that placenta's are created from...will the immune system attack that developing placenta and cause miscarriage???? worth the risk?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by flflowers

All that sounds great if you did not ever research or study the information on the "other" side. By definition it is not even a "vaccine"......the same protein is also the protein that placenta's are created from...will the immune system attack that developing placenta and cause miscarriage???? worth the risk?

No, not worth the risk to a pregnancy. So......be vaccinated when not pregnant. Any woman of child bearing age should have a pregnancy test before vaccination. Just my opinion, of course but it makes sense to me.

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by flflowers

All that sounds great if you did not ever research or study the information on the "other" side. By definition it is not even a "vaccine"......the same protein is also the protein that placenta's are created from...will the immune system attack that developing placenta and cause miscarriage???? worth the risk?

mRNA is not a protein. The active ingredient in the vaccine is not a protein. But please, do tell the story of how the protein in the vaccine (that's not there) is somehow the exact same protein that placentas are created from (and that's assuming placentas consist of just one protein, which is false).

BTW, if you're 65+ years old, and you're main concern is how the vaccine might affect the placenta in case of pregnancy, call me reckless, but I'm going to say go ahead and get that vaccine.

[Cobullymom]

Originally Posted by Hplaw

I wonder if it is just in the Florida area where you work where people in the medical field are refusing the vaccine. Here in MI, they were vaccinating 1,200 per day at The University of Michigan Medical and the couple of nurses I spoke with during a visit could not wait to get the vaccine and protect themselves and see their family.

Well thank Goodness I don’t live in Michigan where they have been locked down without evidence that it works, I have seen my family daily here in Florida so it’s a non issue...