[chewy]

Up until recently the governor and others around the country have attempted to "hide" their belief and support of the "herd immunity" approach. They are not open about using the term but by reactions it is obvious at this time they are " all ahead full " to support it.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Mary Windsor

Where in the Constitution does it say that you have the right to put others at risk? Where is the thoughtful nature of folks gone? Is this what our service men and women sacrificed their lives for?

Actually, I am putting NO ONE at risk. They are putting themselves at risk if they see me (If I am not wearing a mask) and still approach. It is not my responsibility to retreat. It is your responsibility to be cautious. You do not keep walking toward a snake, gator or a coyote when you spot one, do you? Sorry, but I am not my brother's keeper. If you think otherwise, then you misunderstand the Constitution. If I was a bus driver and I was recklessly operating a bus full of passengers, then I would be putting someone at risk. If I put a sign on my vehicle, warning folks that I am a terrible driver and that if they rode with me they were putting their lives at risk, then it would be their problem if they insisted on riding with me. And if they did ride with me, they would have no right to demand that I change my behavior. Get it?

That said, I wear my mask and sometimes wear gloves. I have been tempted to wear my military gas mask when shopping, just to see the reaction of some folks However, I do not care if others wear their mask or not. Friday, I went to a restaurant that continued to fill until it was at full capacity. I enjoyed my meal and left. Far as I know, I do not have the virus.....yet. I have no intention of wearing a mask when I am eating. If they start demanding that we wear a mask I will not eat out.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Soon they'll be a vaccine and treatment for Covid-19 and this will all be behind us.

Do you promise? I don't think there will be a vaccine anytime soon.
I don't think there will be a vaccine available until mid-2021.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by ts12755

Wearing a mask won't end this virus... The only way to end the virus is to not let anyone in or out of the country. Shut all business including Walmart, Publix, Postal Service, Publix, etc. And lock all people in their homes, including police for 45 days.

That didn't work so well for Europe, did it?

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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...after reading your post, one phrase immediately came to mind - 'roll with the punches'. Life always presents those inevitable punches.

That's exactly what we've been doing since March. Life's not over, simply different. I do understand that it's easier for us to roll with those punches. Retired. Live in The Villages. Financially OK. Family settled and healthy. All healthy.

But the "rolling" included canceling plans, esp travel. Less activities. Less friends. Less entertainment out. Less fun.

The impact has been so great on so many worldwide. And it's not over. yet. We do have faith that medicines and healthcare have greatly improved since March. And that vaccines WILL be available within months. And that we will be inoculated in time NOT to get COVID.

So, until then, we will continue to roll with any punches that come our way. And live life to the fullest we can. period.
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Last night I had dinner at the home of my girlfriend’s brother and sister-in-law. Their dad died of the virus last month, and their mother nearly died, but has been negative for several weeks now, though her dementia is much worse.

The sister-in-law is in charge of phase three testing for the vaccine being worked on by Sanofi (I think it may also be working on it together with Glaxo-Smith-Kline, but I’m not certain). A month ago she was hopeful that the phase three testing would go fast, but it’s not. She thinks that if the Sanofi vaccine turns out to be safe enough to be approved and marketed, it is more likely to be at the end of 2021, rather than 2020, and she thinks that may be the case with some of the vaccines we are told are ready for approval. This is not some plot by any political party or a failure by a president. It’s just very difficult to run the trials and gather all the information, and a lot of the very promising vaccines may not work.

She says she assumes that most people will get COVID-19 eventually. However, she says it’s a lot better to get it now than it was six months ago, and it will be a lot better to get it in six months than it is now. More is known about treating it, and the treatments are improving, even without a vaccine. Most of the people who die will have other contributing factors, especially age, so their life-expectancy is limited anyway. (My girlfriend’s dad was 91 and had COPD and had had lots of stents put into his arteries, so his days were numbered in any case.)

As for people who catch this because they don’t follow the safety rules because they insist on their freedoms, think about the people who refuse to wear seatbelts because of their need for freedom, or the motorcycle riders or equestrians who don’t wear helmets and die much younger than they might otherwise have died. Maybe I’m lacking in empathy (well, actually, I am, for medical reasons), but I’ll be sorry they are gone, but I will certainly say, “They are sleeping in the bed they made for themselves.” It’s tough, though, if they also infect their loved ones, or the rest of us. Tough luck! Sorry, Charlie, but you’re the one who chose to bite that hook because you lack self-control.

So, I will continue to wear my mask and a new pair of gloves and—most important at all—keep my distance.

Imagine if we were told this virus will be with us from now on, and it will never get better, and what we have to do now is what we will have to do for the rest of our lives. What if you were told that? Would you be willing to be alive if you knew you would never again be able to eat in a crowded restaurant or drink in a packed bar or praise God in a crowded church or praise players in a crowded stadium or go to a movie or hug friends or go on a date? Well, of course, there are plenty of people with low immunity who are in that condition. I have a friend who had his immune system removed in order to stay alive, and he had to live in a “bubble” for a year. He treasures his life. He doesn’t think it’s better to die than wear a mask.

I keep thinking about what would happen as a result of a nuclear war. What if we had to change our way of living for decades or centuries because of radiation? Would some people declare that radiation isn’t real? Would they go out without masks or eat contaminated food? They can’t just declare themselves immune to radiation poisoning.

[LianneMigiano]

Those people who refuse to wear a mask are imposing their potential virus carrying potential onto me. They have no right to potentially expose me to the coronavirus!

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

That's not what the CDC said. 6% of deaths attributed to COVID are from the virus only, not 6% of every hundred people! YIKES! That would be 20 million "dead as a doornail"
However, that 6% number has been since disputed.

If a person has a co-morbidity but was destined to live 25 more years then died after contracting the virus, that should be counted as a COVID death. If a person with stage 4 pancreatic ca was going to die in 6 hours, then I would not count it. And a 22 year old critically injured in a motorcycle accident who happens to test positive certainly is NOT a COVID death. Remember, statistics don't lie, PEOPLE lie with statistics.

I agree. Does anyone know the total number of deaths in The Villages attributed to Covid?

[rmhill4]

Agree wholeheartedly. Let nature take its course. Live your life!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by rmd2

I agree. Does anyone know the total number of deaths in The Villages attributed to Covid?

I think it is a little over 70 deaths total. Something less than a half of a percent of the total residents here.
I would be interested in seeing the total amount of deaths for the past three or four years and compare them with the total deaths in 2020.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

Out and about this past few days I am coming to the conclusion that trying to fight this virus is a losing battle.

We, my little family, are doing our part in every way possible, masks, social distancing, dining out or take out, no small groups indoors. But, this weekend I noticed more and more people becoming truly belligerent over the masking for shopping, i.e. WalMart yesterday ... young couple absolutely refusing to wear a mask and just pushed right into the store saying "you cannot take away my civil rights". People, mostly elderly men, in Publix without masks and not socially distancing to cash out. Today at P;aneras in SLS people not wearing masks and not distancing, and then throw in the crazy woman who was screaming about politics to everyone who would stop and listen.

I am sick and tired of this awful situation and am suggesting, we just give up and let nature take its course. If someone is sure that the virus is a hoax and will not kill anyone, let them have at it and cull the herd that way. The rest of us who do want to live without catching this virus can go on our merry way protecting ourselves.

What say you ..... for or against with good reasons.

Its called "Covid fatigue". The US is catching it and also some parts of Europe. Australia and Asian Countries have very little CV problems. Google epidemiologist Michael Osterholm for more information.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by LianneMigiano

Those people who refuse to wear a mask are imposing their potential virus carrying potential onto me. They have no right to potentially expose me to the coronavirus!

Nope. They have a right until someone mandates by law that everyone wear a mask. Therefore, they are not "imposing" anything. As long as you have the ability to protect yourself from the virus, no one else can be responsible for your putting yourself at risk.

[rmd2]

There are 331,002, 651 total people in the US as of 2020. There have been 210,000 total deaths in the US due to COVID. Could someone check my stats because this shows that .0006% have died in the US due to COVID. A VERY low percent.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

You can play with numbers as much as you like.
Argue obout with Covid or from Covid as much as you like.
Whichever way you think, it still come down to tens of thousand of deaths because of Covid.
Why the big argument about doing something to help reduce the risk?
Even if it is only a few % it must be worth it.
A bullet proof vest doesn't stop you getting your arms legs head or balls being blown off, but it gives some protection, and a mask is a lot easier to wear!

You are correct in total.

Lacking any national doctrine or message on handling this thing, we are on our own.

Those who want to argue this and make it political....well, you are on your own, and obviously you feel the same way about the rest of us.

This is unique. Called for a unique plan back in January. Without it, we are on our own

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by rmd2

There are 331,002, 651 total people in the US as of 2020. There have been 210,000 total deaths in the US due to COVID. Could someone check my stats because this shows that .0006% have died in the US due to COVID. A VERY low percent.

Unless you or yours is one of those stats

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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That's exactly what we've been doing since March. Life's not over, simply different. I do understand that it's easier for us to roll with those punches. Retired. Live in The Villages. Financially OK. Family settled and healthy. All healthy.

But the "rolling" included canceling plans, esp travel. Less activities. Less friends. Less entertainment out. Less fun.

The impact has been so great on so many worldwide. And it's not over. yet. We do have faith that medicines and healthcare have greatly improved since March. And that vaccines WILL be available within months. And that we will be inoculated in time NOT to get COVID.

So, until then, we will continue to roll with any punches that come our way. And live life to the fullest we can. period.
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I agree with everything except the optimism about vaccines. It could take 2 doses. It will be hard to distribute to everyone. It requires extremely low temperature storage. Many groups of people will REFUSE to take it. The problems are large and are not realized by the general public yet.