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Don't give up! Continue to wear the mask. Here is what "smart guy", Dr. Fauci says Dr. Fauci: You Should Have Mask Wearing, Distancing In 'Any Situation, Without Exception' | MSNBC - YouTube

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I have said it before and I will say it again — we are finding out who we really are and we are finding out who other people really are.

It is not just the aggravation of having to dodge barefaced, angry-looking strangers in grocery stores. It is also the bizarre behavior of people we know — or thought we knew.

In my northern life, I have been a part of a loosely connected social group of women for the past few years. We have been able to get together outside this summer with proper social distancing. We could all scoot our lawn chairs around until we felt OK.

One of the women phoned me for a normal reason, but half way through the conversation she suddenly launched into a harangue about the virus being a hoax and how stupid masks are — and then she fevered up into a creepy ode to the source of her disinformation.

I did not argue with her. I knew there was no point. I simply wrote her off. I figure if she considers me to be disposable, I will not feel bad about disposing of having her in my life, by backing away — backing up, both figuratively and literally.

She has no idea though where I have placed her in my thinking. Actually, that makes me feel kind of guilty, not because I am finished with her but because I did not speak up. I feel guilty because I am so good at the suburban social dance. Damn.

Boomer

That is one beautifully worded post. Like a professional writer, possibly. Anyway, I have had to stop many activities and shut down past friendships because of CV disagreements. I can forgive my former friends for disagreeing with me, no problem. I understand that 1/2 of America is in a propaganda trance - because of polarizing Television channels and social media's math model that drives their users further into one of 2 camps and down a rabbit hole. The US and TV Land are fast approaching a tipping point as to a TOTAL way of life change. So, buckle up and be prepared for a VERY rough next couple of months. Nice to know how aware and smart some TV Landers really are!

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

I have rarely seen any of this. When in Walmart I see everyone masked and Publix and other stores. You will always have one nitwit who geels its their right to do what they want. Its not that lrevalent at all

I don't see that many people without masks in the stores either, the majority of people are wearing masks.

[brfree1411@aol.com]

I think if people want to be stupid let them!

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Johnsocat

For those who feel the government should mandate or it is ok for the government to mandate safety measures: how would you feel if the government mandated the covid vaccine when it becomes available?

It's been a long time ago, I think in the late 70's or so, there was a flu virus going around that was worrisome, new and improved or whatever. Just don't remember the name of it anymore. There was a new vaccine that was rushed through it's testing and wasn't proved to be totally safe. I was in the army at the time and we were required to be vaccinated, no refusing. Myself and several of my fellow soldiers had adverse reactions to the vaccine, nothing serious, but we had fevers and aches from it. I don't recall any serious reactions or deaths but I didn't like being an involuntary lab rat. The government knew of the risks but decided GI's were a great source for test subjects and seemed to believe that the ends justified the means.

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

It's been a long time ago, I think in the late 70's or so, there was a flu virus going around that was worrisome, new and improved or whatever. Just don't remember the name of it anymore. There was a new vaccine that was rushed through it's testing and wasn't proved to be totally safe. I was in the army at the time and we were required to be vaccinated, no refusing. Myself and several of my fellow soldiers had adverse reactions to the vaccine, nothing serious, but we had fevers and aches from it. I don't recall any serious reactions or deaths but I didn't like being an involuntary lab rat. The government knew of the risks but decided GI's were a great source for test subjects and seemed to believe that the ends justified the means.

1976 Swine flu, H1N1. The vaccine caused Guillain-barre syndrome in some people. It's an auto-immune disease. The first GP I worked for was on the front lines for that one and told me the whole sordid story of it. That is the primary reason vaccines take so long these days.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Arizona'''s Coronavirus Cases Declined 75 Percent After Mask Mandates | PEOPLE.com

hmmm, somehow magically masks have an effect. Of course the health care industry have been wearing masks for a long time for the same reason, even your dentist probably wore one before COVID. . .

Yes, i know people second hand who have died, and I don't have confidence that I know all my co-morbidities, so I don't really want to gamble on what I don't know, which is how my body will respond, but i do know that as the air conditioning is less needed and people spend more time outside, the rate of infections will drop, and in the north, the opposite will happen, as it is now.

So do you know which co-morbidities you have which will be considered a weakness for the virus to attack?

sportsguy

[Zenmama18]

Mr. and I have gotten used to masks due to family members and friend who are immunocompromised (chemo, transplant, etc). A very small inconvenience to help ensure their safety. Not really different, you don't know who in the Publix or at the mailboxes may be in the same situation.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jswirs

Just stay home

That is not the answer. What a cop out.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Fanfaron2020

Unfortunately, 'they' never report how many COVID-19 deaths also had PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS... so we don't really know how many were truly COVID-19 deaths.

How many of those who died of Covid with pre-exiting conditions would have lived many more years taking medication to control their pre-existing conditions?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That is not the answer. What a cop out.

Actually, it is a legitimate and logical answer. Stay home if you are worried about becoming infected. Protect yourself. You cannot demand others to protect you.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Actually, it is a legitimate and logical answer. Stay home if you are worried about becoming infected. Protect yourself. You cannot demand others to protect you.

I agree with that.

Plus we all know about laws forbidding illegal drugs and having guns. Yup.

[tophcfa]

Having spent time recently both in the Villages and at our northern home, I personally feel much safer going out and about, and not catching Covid, while in the Villages. Sure, the Villages has it‘s share of Covidiots and Maskholes, but in general it is much safer in the bubble. Outside of the bubble it is very evident that quarantine burnout is growing daily. Older people are more vulnerable and tend to be more patient, making the Villages relatively safe. In general, wherever younger people are, watch out! This will get even worse up north as it gets colder and more people gather indoors. It’s going to be a long fall and winter, Covid won’t suddenly disappear when the ball drops on New Years : (

[Snowprint]

The key is to shun & make those who disregard those who refuse to wear masks pariahs. Anyone who goes to large gatherings like weddings, bars, etc without following CDC guidelines should be called out for being dangerous to society. It won’t happen now, but if the leadership is changed, it’s time to jail violators or lock them up in their own houses. This was done in China. China has many times more people than America with higher population densities, yet it’s America that is the poster boy for how NOT to handle a pandemic. The Midwest is raging with COVID19 to no one’s surprise when they encouraged an event like Sturgis where a half million drunk bikers were cheered on to come party & the lead act singer proclaims “F..k COVID” to rapturous applause.
No, don’t give up! Do make the people who are blissfully helping COVID19 persona non grata!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Snowprint

The key is to shun & make those who disregard those who refuse to wear masks pariahs. Anyone who goes to large gatherings like weddings, bars, etc without following CDC guidelines should be called out for being dangerous to society. It won’t happen now, but if the leadership is changed, it’s time to jail violators or lock them up in their own houses. This was done in China. China has many times more people than America with higher population densities, yet it’s America that is the poster boy for how NOT to handle a pandemic. The Midwest is raging with COVID19 to no one’s surprise when they encouraged an event like Sturgis where a half million drunk bikers were cheered on to come party & the lead act singer proclaims “F..k COVID” to rapturous applause.
No, don’t give up! Do make the people who are blissfully helping COVID19 persona non grata!

I am sure that shunning someone will make some feel good about themselves. Those being shunned may not care, or not even notice. So the joke will be on the ones that make the effort to shun. My daughter gave me a "T" shirt that says "I DON'T CARE" on it in big white letters. She sends me a lot of interesting shirts. She will probably get me in trouble some day, but she does make me laugh. But, I digress. The point is that one person's point of view may be important to them, but hardly a thought to others. But, go ahead through the motions if it makes you feel good.
By the way, Sturgis is not all about getting together and drinking. It's big because thousands of folks travel there once a year to see the "bikes." Many of those bikes are owned by wealthy folks that invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in them. A lot of those folks are responsible adults that are hard working or retired, NOT drunken biker gang rejects. But, to some all bikers are the same.