[coolkayaker1]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

As we get older, our cells become less and less able to clean and rebuild themselves. Garbage builds up and doesn't get cleaned out. Dead cells sit there and don't get replaced. Our arteries and brains get clogged with gunk.

Hey, that sounds like what happened to my Windows computer!

[coolkayaker1]

I, for one, wish I would never die.

I want to live to help my great grandchildren scavenge for food, water, warmth, and a safe place to sleep, all because me and my generational peers screwed up the earth for them; the least I can do is live to lend a hand.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by CFrance

My doctor says 88 for women and 83 for men. That doesn't make me very happy. I surely do not want to outlive my very best friend on this earth.

That's the sad reality of married life: Usually, one will die and leave the other alone. More often than not the husband dies first but it does happen the other way around too. There have been men who outlived their wives by decades. One might consider taking up smoking. :-)

[coolkayaker1]

This is a great video (15 minutes long, so grab a sandwich): the Stanford graduation speech from the late Steve Jobs. He speaks of life--and of death. (IF you wish to hear only the death part, which is profound, it starts at 9:00 minutes in the video)
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc[/ame]

"Believe that the dots will connect down the road"--Steve Jobs.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Mortality, morbidity, popularity, anti-aging formulas and every lasting peace all have two things in common they are huge money makers, until they are not then pulled off the market for a time to be recycled for the next generation. Barnum was right.

Sure, one never knows. In the book I mentioned in my opening post, most of the "cures" for aging will depend on genetic engineering being developed further. So perhaps part of the reason for writing the book, the way it was written, might have been to promote genetic research. If people think the big breakthroughs will come from genetic research, they might be encouraged to donate more money.

[coolkayaker1]

It has been said that, if there was a cure for no other disease than terminal cancer, the world would be overpopulated--mass starvation and dehydration--within one generation.

The same can be said for eternal life. As Steve Jobs said in his graduation speech, linked above: Death is the greatest invention for life.

It is the natural order of things that all things shall pass.
http://coolkayaker1.blogspot.com/200...hall-pass.html

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by coolkayaker1

It has been said that, if there was a cure for no other disease than terminal cancer, the world would be overpopulated--mass starvation and dehydration--within one generation.

The same can be said for eternal life. As Steve Jobs said in his graduation speech, linked above: Death is the greatest invention for life.

It is the natural order of things that all things shall pass.
COOLKAYAKER1: All Things Shall Pass

There's no such thing as eternal life. The title of the book I mentioned, in my opening post, only suggests it: "The Strange Science of Immortality". When you think about it, it wouldn't be easy to come up with a better title than that. What else could the title have been? "The Strange Science of Trying to Live a Lot Longer?" There is another book titled, "Live Long Enough To Live Forever". It speculates that if you could live another 10 or 15 years, by that time the technology would exist to help you live forever. But it's just speculation because the technology just isn't there yet.

Not only that but it's very likely that most people wouldn't be able to afford the genetic modification treatments it would require. And fresh stem cells would have to be engineered in a lab and periodically injected into your body. This alone might cost $15,000.00 or more every ten years.

A large number of people haven't even saved enough retirement money to last 15 or 20 years. And I doubt that any health care plan would pay for these treatments..

Also, if this thread is any indication, a lot of people wouldn't want it. So I doubt it would lead to over population. But if you really want to know what happens when people live longer and longer, just look at Japan. The birth rate has been gradually going down for a long time. I think it's the same in Europe too. Look at Italy and other such places. The birth rate keeps going down.

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

There's no such thing as eternal life.
.

Totally incorrect, there is no eternal life for this carnal body which is going back to the dust from whence it came, but there is eternal life after our death for the soul. Best to not worry so much about how long the body will live and instead focus on where the soul will live on since it will be a lot longer than the time here. Be ready!

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Totally incorrect, there is no eternal life for this carnal body which is going back to the dust from whence it came, but there is eternal life after our death for the soul. Best to not worry so much about how long the body will live and instead focus on where the soul will live on since it will be a lot longer than the time here. Be ready!

If you go back a post or two you will notice we were talking about the physical body. Let's not confuse the issue.

As far as the soul is concerned, eternal life of the soul is based on one's personal faith and nothing more.

You might want to start a new thread with the following heading: Eternal life of the soul is a fact that I can prove beyond any doubt!

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

There's no such thing as eternal life.

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Totally incorrect, there is no eternal life for this carnal body which is going back to the dust from whence it came, but there is eternal life after our death for the soul. Best to not worry so much about how long the body will live and instead focus on where the soul will live on since it will be a lot longer than the time her!

I agree with KIR that there a short lifespan for our human body, but eternal life for the soul.
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience.
We are spiritual beings having a human experience.

[kittygilchrist]

I finally got past the exaggerated use of the word immortality and looked up an explanation of telomeres. You'll find a link below. Very interesting...and tucked at the bottom of the article, encouragement to reduce oxidative stress, something we all can actually do for ourselves.

Thanks for the topic, VPL. I need to reduce oxidative stress.

Are Telomeres The Key To Aging And Cancer?

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

If you go back a post or two you will notice we were talking about the physical body. Let's not confuse the issue.

As far as the soul is concerned, eternal life of the soul is based on one's personal faith and nothing more.

You might want to start a new thread with the following heading: Eternal life of the soul is a fact that I can prove beyond any doubt!

"As far as the soul is concerned, eternal life of the soul is based on one's personal faith and nothing more." Sorry you have it wrong! Where you spend your eternity is based on one's faith, not if eternal life of the soul is a reality. Eternal life of the soul is a fact!

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

I finally got past the exaggerated use of the word immortality and looked up an explanation of telomeres. You'll find a link below. Very interesting...and tucked at the bottom of the article, encouragement to reduce oxidative stress, something we all can actually do for ourselves.

Thanks for the topic, VPL. I need to reduce oxidative stress.

Are Telomeres The Key To Aging And Cancer?

You're welcome and thanks for the link. I read the whole thing; it was interesting. It said oxidative stress is caused by oxidants and not long ago I read that iron is a potent oxidant. Red meat is a source of iron so maybe that's one reason why vegans and vegetarians, like seventh day Adventists, live so much longer. Their average life expectancy is 88.

Glycation was mentioned too and the article seems to suggest that calorie restriction is something we can do about it. We can restrict calories by avoiding high-calorie processed foods.

Dr. Dean Ornish, along with Dr. Blackburn did a study that showed we can lengthen telomeres by eating a healthy vegan diet, moderate exercise and stress reduction. This lifestyle increases the enzyme telomerase and it's what allows telomeres to lengthen. It helps DNA to repair itself. So we can stay younger by living a healthy lifestyle.

[gamby]

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:

Adam, a living soul, at the time of his creation

Adam was not given a soul—he “became a living soul”

When God created the first man, Adam, the Bible says that “man became a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7, King James Version) Adam was not given a soul—he became a living soul, or person.


The Bible says that the soul can work, crave food, eat, obey laws, and touch a dead body. (Leviticus 5:2; 7:20; 23:30; Deuteronomy 12:20; Romans 13:1) Those activities involve the entire person.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is the soul immortal?

No, the soul can die. Dozens of Bible verses refer to the soul as being mortal. Here are some examples:

“The soul that sinneth, it shall die.”—Ezekiel 18:4, 20, King James Version.


In ancient Israel, the punishment for the most serious offenses was that the “soul shall be cut off.” (Exodus 12:15, 19; Leviticus 7:20, 21, 27; 19:8, King James Version) The person would “be put to death.”—Exodus 31:14, King James Version.


After a person dies, the literal term “dead soul” is used for the corpse in some Bible verses. (Leviticus 21:11, footnote; Numbers 6:6, footnote) Although many Bible translations use the terms “dead body” or “dead person” in those verses, the original Hebrew uses the word ne′phesh, or “soul.”


“Soul” can mean “life”

The Bible also uses “soul” as a synonym for “life.” For example, Job 33:22 uses the Hebrew word for “soul” (ne′phesh) as a parallel for “life.” Similarly, the Bible shows that a person’s soul, or life, can be risked or lost.
This use of the word for “soul” helps us to understand verses in which the soul is said to be “going out” or “departing.” (Genesis 35:18; King James Version) This figure of speech indicates that the person’s life is ending. Some translations render this expression at Genesis 35:18 as “she breathed her last.”—Good News Translation; New Jerusalem Bible.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Where belief in an immortal soul comes from

Christian denominations that believe in an immortal soul get this teaching, not from the Bible, but from ancient Greek philosophy. The Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Biblical references to the soul are related to the concept of breath and establish no distinction between the ethereal soul and the corporeal body. Christian concepts of a body-soul dichotomy originated with the ancient Greeks.”

God does not condone merging his teachings with human philosophies, such as belief in an immortal soul. Instead, the Bible warns: “Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition.”—Colossians 2:8.

[KeepingItReal]

The soul of man will never die. Just as the body is carnal so is the carnal mind that cannot interpret or understand the scriptures. So many error from trying to take the scriptures literally and not being able to understand their spiritual meanings.

Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Matthew 15:14
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.



Clearly the body is made from the dust to which it will return but the spirit or soul of mankind will return unto God who gave it. When a person is saved it is the soul or spirit that is saved from an eternity in hell and not the carnal body. Even in hell the soul will burn and burn but will never burn up as most would think. Some say well if I go to hell it will only last a few minutes at the most and then it will be over but this is not the case. There are numerous places to confirm this if interpreted correctly.

Luke 16:28
For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

2 Peter Chapter 2
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: