[CFrance]

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Originally Posted by Villages PL

This was a study promoted by a commercial entity. TV can be considered an extension of the food industry. So of course it would likely be biased in favor of finding other reasons for longevity other than a healthy diet.

Okay, I'll bite. The current study (called 90+) is continuing, funded by grants from NIA and is being conducted by UC Irvine. The initial study back in the '80s was also funded by NIH, the Errol Carrol Trust Fund and Wyeth, but Wyeth was trying to find out about strokes.

Will you please cite your reference to the commercial entity that's promoting it, and exactly how they are promoting it--$? (I don't consider NIH/NIA or UCI commercial entities).

And please explain what you mean by TV being an extension of the food industry.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by CFrance

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Okay, I'll bite. The current study (called 90+) is continuing, funded by grants from NIA and is being conducted by UC Irvine. The initial study back in the '80s was also funded by NIH, the Errol Carrol Trust Fund and Wyeth, but Wyeth was trying to find out about strokes.

Will you please cite your reference to the commercial entity that's promoting it, and exactly how they are promoting it--$? (I don't consider NIH/NIA or UCI commercial entities).

And please explain what you mean by TV being an extension of the food industry.

The commercial entity I was referring to is the television station itself because they are in the advertising business. I haven't watched TV for a long time but I seem to remember that they advertise food. And it's usually not fresh fruit and vegetables.

If it wasn't for the 60 minutes TV presentation that played up the aspect of diet not being important, I don't think that study would be memorable in the science of nutrition. Although, it may be memorable to the average TV watching person who is overweight and eats a poor diet. It lets those people off the hook so they no longer have to worry about improving their diet or losing weight. I think the study therefore does a disservice to public health.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

The commercial entity I was referring to is the television station itself because they are in the advertising business. I haven't watched TV for a long time but I seem to remember that they advertise food. And it's usually not fresh fruit and vegetables.

If it wasn't for the 60 minutes TV presentation that played up the aspect of diet not being important, I don't think that study would be memorable in the science of nutrition. Although, it may be memorable to the average TV watching person who is overweight and eats a poor diet. It lets those people off the hook so they no longer have to worry about improving their diet or losing weight. I think the study therefore does a disservice to public health.

Okay. I thought by TV you meant The Villages!

The two studies--Leisure World and the follow-up 90+ were not trying to emphasize or de-emphasize healthy diet, so the science of nutrition was not really involved. They were looking for any reasons that people lived past 90, and not necessarily diet or no diet. The studies were going on before 60 Minutes did the story.

For that matter, most studies wouldn't be memorable to the public unless they were reported on via TV or internet, or talked about in a book. Most lay people don't subscribe to medical journals and might not otherwise hear about the studies.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Okay. I thought by TV you meant The Villages!

The two studies--Leisure World and the follow-up 90+ were not trying to emphasize or de-emphasize healthy diet, so the science of nutrition was not really involved. They were looking for any reasons that people lived past 90, and not necessarily diet or no diet. The studies were going on before 60 Minutes did the story.

For that matter, most studies wouldn't be memorable to the public unless they were reported on via TV or internet, or talked about in a book. Most lay people don't subscribe to medical journals and might not otherwise hear about the studies.

I often edit my posts after I post them. In this case I realized that I hadn't made a clear statement as far as being memorable. So the statement now reads: "I don't think that study would be memorable to the science of nutrition."

If the science of nutrition wasn't involved then it was de-emphasized, in my opinion.

I like the Seventh Day Adventist study better because it was less ambiguous. The people are vegetarians or vegans (so most likely they are health minded) and they have an average life expectancy of 88. That's 10 years longer than the average for other Americans.

If the people in the "90 plus" study are eating the standard American diet then they must be included in those who live 10 years less on average. So why are people getting excited about the "90 plus" diet? Is it because they see it as giving permission to eat lots of animal protein and all kinds of processed junk foods?

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

(snipped) So why are people getting excited about the "90 plus" diet? Is it because they see it as giving permission to eat lots of animal protein and all kinds of processed junk foods?

I saw it more as encouragement to exercise every day and try to lead a active social life more than giving permission to eat and drink what you want. I get from this that there seems to be more than one way to live longer.

[Whalen]

soylent green

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Whalen

soylent green

We need to die to provide food for the young? LOL

In that case, I don't mind dying as long as it's for a good cause.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

If the people in the "90 plus" study are eating the standard American diet then they must be included in those who live 10 years less on average. So why are people getting excited about the "90 plus" diet? Is it because they see it as giving permission to eat lots of animal protein and all kinds of processed junk foods?

I don't think there are a lot of people getting excited about the "90 plus" diet or rushing to change their eating habits!
The 60 Minutes Segment was merely an interesting look at the lifestyles of a group of people over the age of 90.

[KeepingItReal]

An 80 year old man went to the doctor for a check-up and the doctor was amazed at what good shape the guy was in. The doctor asked, "To what do you attribute your good health?" The old timer said, "I'm a turkey hunter and that's why I'm in such good shape. I'm up well before daylight and out chasing turkeys up and down the mountains."

The doctor said, "Well, I'm sure that helps, but there's got to be more to it. How old was your dad when he died?"

The old timer said, "Who said my dad's dead?"

The doctor said, "You mean you're 80 years old and your dad's still alive? How old is he?"

The old timer said, "He's 100 yrs old and, in fact, he hunted turkey with me this morning, and that's why he's still alive... he's a turkey hunter."

The doctor said, "Well, that's great, but I'm sure there's more to it. How about your dad's dad? How old was he when he died?"

The old timer said, "Who said my grandpa's dead?"

The doctor said, "You mean you're 80 years old and your grandfather's still living! How old is he?"

The old timer said, "He's 118 yrs old." The doctor was getting frustrated at this point and said, "I guess he went turkey hunting with you this morning too?"

The old timer said, "No... Grandpa couldn't go this morning because he got married."

The Doctor said in amazement, "Got married!! Why would a 118-year-old guy want to get married?" The old timer said, "Who said he wanted to?"

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I often edit my posts after I post them. In this case I realized that I hadn't made a clear statement as far as being memorable. So the statement now reads: "I don't think that study would be memorable to the science of nutrition."

If the science of nutrition wasn't involved then it was de-emphasized, in my opinion.

I like the Seventh Day Adventist study better because it was less ambiguous. The people are vegetarians or vegans (so most likely they are health minded) and they have an average life expectancy of 88. That's 10 years longer than the average for other Americans.

If the people in the "90 plus" study are eating the standard American diet then they must be included in those who live 10 years less on average. So why are people getting excited about the "90 plus" diet? Is it because they see it as giving permission to eat lots of animal protein and all kinds of processed junk foods?

First, THERE IS NO 90+ diet. None. It was mentioned they don't do anything out of the ordinary. They eat what most people eat.

I don't think anyone is getting excited about this segment either. I thought it was an interesting segment, showing some very alive and charming people who are over 90, in good health and very "with it". I didn't see that anyone was trying to get anyone to change, or was promoting anything. These people who are in pretty good shape were being studied, and after they die their brains will be analyzed.

We have dozens of 90 plus folks who live right here in TV and I am so grateful to know three of them personally. May they and us live long-er and prosper.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

An 80 year old man went to the doctor for a check-up and the doctor was amazed at what good shape the guy was in. The doctor asked, "To what do you attribute your good health?" The old timer said, "I'm a turkey hunter and that's why I'm in such good shape. I'm up well before daylight and out chasing turkeys up and down the mountains."

The doctor said, "Well, I'm sure that helps, but there's got to be more to it. How old was your dad when he died?"

The old timer said, "Who said my dad's dead?"

The doctor said, "You mean you're 80 years old and your dad's still alive? How old is he?"

The old timer said, "He's 100 yrs old and, in fact, he hunted turkey with me this morning, and that's why he's still alive... he's a turkey hunter."

The doctor said, "Well, that's great, but I'm sure there's more to it. How about your dad's dad? How old was he when he died?"

The old timer said, "Who said my grandpa's dead?"

The doctor said, "You mean you're 80 years old and your grandfather's still living! How old is he?"

The old timer said, "He's 118 yrs old." The doctor was getting frustrated at this point and said, "I guess he went turkey hunting with you this morning too?"

The old timer said, "No... Grandpa couldn't go this morning because he got married."

The Doctor said in amazement, "Got married!! Why would a 118-year-old guy want to get married?" The old timer said, "Who said he wanted to?"