Planned Parenthood
 

I realize this will fall on deaf, and uninterested ears, but I have a need to express my utter and total disgust after watching the videos of Planned Parenthood bargaining and selling baby parts.

People say it is not a life, but it appears there is a market for selling the baby's innards and other parts. When you kill a living person, and I assume if people want to buy your parts you are living, that is called....

Some morally bankrupt people just don't care...sad, very sad indeed.

You might want to check this story outside the radical right sources..

There were no baby parts sold....the parts, at the request of the donor, were donated to a research center. Planned Parenthood did charge a fee for SHIPPING

Just another sleazy right wing attempted sting against Planned Parenthood.

Planned Parenthood Official Caught Haggling for Fetal Organs | Mediaite

Are you sure? I'm not. This really has me re-thinking my views. They've opened Pandora's Box.

If 'fetal tissue' is being sold for a profit, aren't the mothers entitled to part of the profit?

If the mothers are profiting from 'fetal tissue' how long before deliberate pregnancies for profit?

You are absolutely right!

Ask the radical right wing if they would accept a liver or kidney for their grandchild from one of these "murdered" donors? Would they pay the $100 shipping charge?

The fetal tissue IS NOT being sold at a profit. It IS NOT being sold! The money is for shipping and is between $30 and $100. You are ridiculous!!!

Check the link. This is bad.

Don't know about planned parenthood specifically but a friend of mine that worked at an abortion clinic said that the fetuses were used to harvest collagen, it totally disgusted me.

Gee whiz.....if they did that, they may have to face the truth.

THAT, ABOUT SHIPPING CHARGES IS FLAT OUT NOT TRUE. You need to read something other than the response.

The conversations revolve around using different tools so the head is not damaged, the discussions are NEGOTIAYIONS, not a statement of shipping charges.

I do not doubt the tape was edited, but NOT DOCTORED. They actually discussed a deal...they actually discussed using instruments...they actually discussed what part of the body not to crush.

And the sale is that these are not viable humans....no, we are in fact committing murder.

I could care less what money they get. What they say it is for. Discussing trying not to crush a skull of an infant so someone can use that skull for whatever is just not something I care to even try and validate. An infant that they say is not viable.

Talk about a distinction without a difference !

Body parts of little human babies are being trafficked WTF??? ... you're apparently too morally bankrupt to notice the obvious even when it smacks you in the face?

Question for you...if the body parts were of little baby whales instead, would you be outraged or supportive?

Great question!! Always interesting to see how many PETA supporters are also pro-abortion activists. Talk about screwed up priorities!

Question for you ...if your infant grandchild desperately needed a liver or kidney and could be the recepient, would you be supportive?

3:18, I think you should answer first.

I'm not the poster you're quoting, but my answer is no. There are others sources for both kidneys and livers, sources that do not have the moral complications of using fetal tissue.

Yes, as long as no one had to be murdered to get it.

How about you?

Of course not.

You asking the question tells a lot.

How could anyone want a harvested part from a murdered baby.

The fact you ask that questions means you believe their is a life being snuffed out, unlike what we are told.

What a callous immoral question.

I'm not the poster either, but totally agree with you. I would not be able to live with myself if I obtained an organ in this manner for my child. Kill another child so your that yours can live? Some would say that this is not exactly how it works, since the other baby would have been done away with anyway, but the reality is, that is exactly what it is. What kind of society would we be if this becomes commonplace? It has all the elements of corruption.

Here is the full video, unedited. It is nearly and hour and fifteen minutes. I haven't watched it yet, will later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwAGsjoorvk

If you are against abortion, that is totally YOUR decision. The Supreme Court made it legal. Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Of course, the right wing nuts want to legislate for others. How about if your daughter became pregnant and did not want to have the baby? Would you force her to have the baby and then give it up? How about by incest or rape?

Give it up! Pro-Choice is the law of the land.

Planned Parenthood was not selling body parts. Put away your heavily edited video clips. Tread on new ground - REALITY.

This is the 21st century. Get out of the 1950's.

EXACTLY what were they selling ???

Exactly. Posters on here want smaller government or no government except when it comes to a woman's uterus. Then they want to have their nose in every woman's uterus to make sure every pregnancy comes to term. If they have their way, birth control will be banned or controlled by a woman's employer.

So let's review; no birth control to stop unwanted pregnancies, but should a pregnancy occur, no abortion in a safe environment, even if that pregnancy is the result of rape.

"Planned Parenthood was not selling body parts."

Was a quote in the post you replied to.....what were they selling ?

Everyone understands as a few posters are trying to lecture everybody on, what the law of the land is on abortion. It is the callous, we are the winner, attitude in talking about this subject that is beyond the pale....

TONIGHT....when you lay down, last think for a moment about this unborn infant inside a womb where it is for protection as it develops. Then think of this partial conversation with the doctor who kills that baby....

""I'd say a lot of people want liver," she explained to undercover pro-life operatives pretending to be buyers from a biotech company.

So she and her harvesters use ultrasound techniques to figure out where the liver and other desirable organs are. That way they can be "cognizant of where you put your graspers."

This technique, she explains, is "good at getting heart, lung, liver ... so I'm not gonna crush that part. I'm going to basically crush below, I'm gonna crush above, and I'm gonna see if I can get it all intact."

"Crush above" is her way of saying the baby's skull is crushed with tiny jaws of death."

Liberal theory of justice doesn't support abortion - Chicago Tribune

Nobody is trying to change your mind on abortion. But stop playing innocent as if it were not killing, and stop with the smug comments to those who find this objectionable.

I can recall all the comments on here when the terrible situation in Ferguson took place and how many times we heard "nobody deserves to die like this".......I say the same thing to this procedure.

This is how the editorial in the above link concludes.....

"The abortion industry prefers to talk about abortions that do away with unwanted "clumps of cells" or clear out "uterine contents." But the beings Nucatola sells for parts have hearts and lungs and livers. Clumps of cells do not.

If I were living behind the veil of ignorance and was afforded the opportunity to be eliminated in utero, I'd probably opt for getting it over with as soon as possible, before I developed pain receptors, never mind salable parts. But, again, I'd first choose to be born. In that sense, you could say I'm pro-choice.


Just, for once, think about what is being done. You can claim all your victories, do your dances, tell anyone who opposes it how backward they are but they seem to have more respect for life than you folks.

The founder of Planned Parenthood is Margaret Sanger...a few quotes from MS Sanger....

"We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring."

"Give dysgenic groups [people with “bad genes”] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization."

10-Eye-Opening Quotes From Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger | LifeNews.com

Is this what she meant......


The below information is from 2013 in New York City.....

There were more blacks who had "induced termination" (abortion) than live births !!!

24,108 live births and 29,007 abortions !!!

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/download...comes-2013.pdf

If those liberals who support the termination of racism would read about the beliefs that were the basis for Planned Parenthood, I think you might need to choose a side. She was a racist and as you see from her quotes would probably be overjoyed with the New York stats.

The video I posted is not a clip. Have you watched it?

We aren't currently talking about abortion. We are talking about the sale of body parts.

It defies logic and common sense and common decency that a subject like abortion and the recent Planned Parenthood disgusting exposure to be a partisan issue.

It is a very low value, low esteem, low character, desparate politician that uses this subject to garner a voting block.

Does anybody really believe peoples morals are red or blue or dem or republican....they are not and neither is this subject.

To view the videos of the head of Planned Parenthood, during lucn, dicussing methods of more carefully removing fetuses to preserve parts would indicate what? I dare any of the abortion and party supporters try to make something good out of these revelations. Butchers!!!!

We do know the difference between right and wrong. It only goes astray when either a poltician or a lawyer gets involved. And when it is a lawyer trained politician we have the least moral species of all using there so called education and talent to use, abuse or hide behind the law whichever accomplishes their objective......

in this case killing humans and selling body parts for profit.

Totally a BS post.

I understand that religious beliefs define your stance on this subject. You have every right to this stance. I personally have never had an abortion, never needed one.... I often wonder what I would have done should I have needed one. Never once would have passed judgement on anyone who had to make that choice.

I believe this country was built on the constitution which includes the freedom of religion which includes the freedom from your religion.

In your post you state:

To view the videos of the head of Planned Parenthood,

Are you saying that this women

Cecile Richards :: Planned Parenthood

Was featured in that video? Are you completely sure about that?

More like you are in total and unshakeable denial ...

It's about a right wing sting..... edited footage. It was NOT a sale the money was for postage.

I think you're upset mainly because the cover has been blown on the callous, baby murders for hire as performed by PPA. It's not just disgusting ... it's pathetic to watch the Left Wing still try to justify it no matter what. It's no longer Pro-Choice but rather Pro-Death and Pro-Barbarity

Just like the Right Wing,,,,

Make sure the men get Viagra or anything else
Deny the women birth control
Knock-up the women
Give more rights to the fetus than the mother (Personhood Amendment)
Deny abortion availability or make the women undergo un-needed invasive procedures.

Protect the fetus.....

Then when the child is born

Refuse to expand Medicaid
Cut food stamps
Gut Head Start

And then this:

“A Lesson in Irony. The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free Meals and Food Stamps ever, to 46 million people.”

The piece continued, “Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us ‘Please Do Not Feed the Animals.’ Their stated reason for the policy is because ‘The animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.’ Thus ends today’s lesson in irony.”

You got to wonder about these people.

To bad everything here is posted as Guest....

Would be nice to know how many of these posters are men!!!

If you think that only men are outraged by this, think again. I have a friend who is very active in the pro-life movement and when she attends events she stands with many other women, some who have had abortions themselves and understand the long term ramifications of making that decision. It isn't just something that one does and then forgets about it. It can ruin a person's life in more ways than one. I have seen the destruction with my own eyes and it can be heartwrenching.

I cringe when I hear women talk so selfishly - "well it's my body and I'll do with it as I please". What about that tiny body growing inside of you? Doesn't that count? I just don't get it. There are just too many incidences of using abortion as a form of birth control.

And btw, I'm a woman.

Dear Guest: "The Supreme court made it legal" "Get out of the 1950's "

Well I find that interesting because in 1942 some very important men both military and civilian government officials met in secret to decide the Jewish solution. In that meeting they discussed if there would be any exceptions to this solution. They methodically worked out a solution that would speed up the process of elimination of this problem. They were the Supreme Law of the land many of them lawyers, scientist, SS officers.

In a recent campaign gathering Democratic candidate O'Malley said "all lives matter" whereupon he was booed from this mostly black audience. The liberal media paid it no mind. a number of blacks marched in early during that meeting to proclaim "black lives matter" which prompted O'Malley's remarks

A young woman is gunned down by an illegal and unlike a professor Gates, Brown ,Gray, Martin Obama is totally unresponsive that young woman's life did not matter but all the aforementioned did

Five marines are murdered by an Islamic terrorist and Obama has yet to lower the flags at half staff. Apparently their lives also did not matter.

The Supreme Court's decision has resulted in an estimated 54 million + abortions. This practice has messed with America's demographics meaning we have insufficient population to replace the one passing...akin to the same problem China is facing do to their one child policy.

Planned Parenthood should be de-funded and in my view disbanded because it is no better than the instrument that applied to the Jewish solution. Planned Parenthood's activities should shock the conscience

All lives matter born and unborn. Those in favor of abortion view it has a choice those against view as it as life . Choice over life. Hmmm Abortionist have their strawman arguments to ease their conscience but it is plain and simple legalized murder

Even the plaintiff in Roe V Wade changed her mind after the decision and worked to reverse this horrible injustice.

Personal Best Regards:

I am the OP and a women....never had an abortion myself but as I stated in a previous post I have wondered what I might have done should I have found myself facing that decision. I believe that I personally could not have gone ahead with the abortion. You are right about the repercussions either way, abortion or giving up the child.

If there are just too many incidences of using abortion as a form of birth control we might well have to look at the reasons for that. Historically women had to pay for birth control pills as they were not and now are not covered by insurance.

Here in TV there were some people discussing Obamacare during the discussion a man commented "I don't want to pay for your birth control" followed by a women commenting "I don't want to pay for your Viagra either".

Why shouldn't women be able to have access to affordable birth control including the morning after pill?

What a rambling reactionary bunch of BS! You are definitely stuck in the past and fail to realize this is the 21st century. Times and people have changed. Get with the 21st century or stand aside.

Hmmm. I don't find it rambling.

With regard to how many poster are women: I have four posts on this thread, and I am a woman. I have been pro-choice for decades, but this is a whole 'nother animal.

I have the ability to examine my beliefs, and adjust them as new information becomes available. The breathless ranting on this thread, the refusal to examine new information is telling.