I would like to know how and why the issue of slaughtering and now butchering of unborn children is viewed by SOME as a partisan issue? Or a gender specific issue?

It is a moral issue that is either accepted or rejected across anything as flimsy and lame as party lines or gender or race or religion.

Making it a partisan issue is for voter attraction only.....no other purpose intended what so ever.

Too bad the majority of moral Americans just do not stand and be counted and shut down these minority and special interest groups who do not have any moral compass in their lives.

Why does getting with the 21st century have to mean one has to change their morality? That in itself is very telling about you are stating.

As it stands now, most insurance plans cover at least certain generic birth control pills at no charge to the patient, so access to them has been greatly enhanced over the years. As far as the morning after pill goes, it has now been deemed an over-the-counter product (not prescription) so would not be covered by most insurance plans as most do not cover OTC's.

In answering your question, I have one for you, especially where the morning after pill is concerned - does personal responsibility play any part in this where you are concerned? I ask this because that's where I find a big difference between taking birth control pills versus the morning after pill.

Last line should read -

That in itself is very telling about WHAT you are stating (in your post).

Since you don't seem to have a problem with the "shipping" of body parts, mabe we should start with yours.:clap2:

Being nasty will get you nowhere....

The point is PP was NOT selling body parts end of story.

I believe sexual active women should protect themselves but as we know some employers, on religious grounds, refuse to cover birth control and even refuse to allow the government to provide them under the plan.

To me the morning after pill should be for available in the case of rape, incest or anyone not able to obtain birth control pills.

My problem is I personally have voted on the Personhood Amendment 3 times in my home state. I see this as a religious group or voting block trying to impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us. This country was founded on the basis of religious freedom.

Again you have the right to your religious beliefs but we have the freedom from your religion. Think the constitution....

You are wrong about pro-choice supporters being in the minority

U.S. Still Split on Abortion: 47% Pro-Choice, 46% Pro-Life

Going after each other on this forum is not going to convince either the Anti-Abortionists or the Pro-Choice that they are misguided and should change sides. Some say it is a religious thing, some a moral thing, some say a woman's reproductive rights belong to herself and her conscience.

Bottom line is Planned Parenthood does not sell body parts. The tissues and organs were donated and the only cost involved is the shipping.

Basically, this thread is just 3 or 4 reactionaries adding onto each other's posts and shouting down all who disagree. That is a Saul Alinsky tactic from his Rules for Radicals.

For both sides.....

Sorry, you don't get to declare the end of the story.

I think their is a very possible PP is doing just that.

Sorry, you don't get to declare the end of the story.

I think it is very possible PP is doing just that.

Planned Parenthood receives 1/2 Billion dollars from the gov't each year. Our tax dollars help to fund it. Pull the plug on the dollars and watch it wither on the vine.

Planned Parenthood will likely just raise the price of the body parts to make up for the loss of funding.

Dear Guest: What in the heck does stuck in the past have to do with my moral beliefs? If the Supreme Court decided in 2020 that the solution to our mounting old age problems was elimination of anyone over 65 would you suggest that anyone who disagreed with that decision was stuck in the past?
Do you suppose the Nazi's told those opposed to the Jewish solution they were stuck in the past? what a leap in logic you take. When did being morally responsible and treating the young born and unborn as a protected species become stuck in the past? don't count on such proposals as not likely because there have been similar proposal made over the years including the state of Florida

Why does taxpayer money fund Planned Parenthood when it is clear that it operates primarily as an elimination machine for fetuses? Why should any insurance policy cover any aspect of birth control and abortion?

Why is government interference in behalf of birth control and abortions issues a good thing? What if the government told women they could not have an abortion, then what? Roe v Wade is a good thing but if the Supreme Court overturned Roe then by pro abortionist it would be a bad thing? Yet pro-life people are wrong because they disagree with roe v Wade this is especially important since the plaintiff in this case reversed her views on this case and fights as a pro-lifer.

Why all these entitlements? Why is it that society is obligated for the irresponsible sexual activities of people. Why is it that many of the same women repeatedly turn to abortion clinics ? Why is that unborn responsible for the irresponsible choices of adults? where is that unborn's right to choose?

Why is it that people in favor of abortion believe they have the high ground? Pro abortionist do what nations have done through the ages they make the target a non-person and by doing so they can act with impunity whether we are talking about waging war on other nations or slavery because by making the enemy a non-person its easier on the conscience

It is not me who is stuck in the past ethics and morality are not fads and they do not operate on a sliding scale as defined by most people to mean "I can justify my actions".

Finally ask yourself if a person who aborts by some fluke of nature had to face that unborn that was reaching out from the womb what would s/he say
"sorry kid our an inconvenience"

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Thank you for this comprehensive, thought provoking post. You have put into words what so many of us have been trying to express. Thanks so much for your wise words.

Why does taxpayer money fund Planned Parenthood when it is clear that it operates primarily as an elimination machine for fetuses?

Your facts are just a bit off

Planned Parenthood

As the name Planned Parenthood suggests the primary mission of this organization is to help women with their reproductive goals.

Honestly I would like to understand your reasoning on this statement you made:

Why should any insurance policy cover any aspect of birth control and abortion?

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills? If a women is being proactive to prevent a pregnancy why are you against that? How many women have heard "I'm to big to wear a condom?"

Do you also believe that insurance should cover the cost of Viagra? A ***** pump?

Presumably you are trying to equate Viagra with birth control pills in the eyes of the insurance companies. I keep hearing this same argument. Viagra is for treating a disease. Birth control if for preventing pregnancies. I sometimes get the impression that the left views pregnancy as a disease.

Agree ... pull the financial plug on the immoral, baby-killing machine that is PPA.

They do have limits I must say ... so far, I've not seen any evidence that PPA actually encourages using discarded baby parts and organs as food or delicacies ...

I do equate them as medications..... But I knew I would be hit with the disease thing so predicable.

In my religious faith, Catholic, sex is for pro-creation only, being told that since I was knee-high to a grasshopper. So if your wife has already gone through the change you don't need the little blue pill.

Or you could look at this another way women go through the change no pill for that but when men go through the change OMG its a disease!

Think of birth control as an investment in not having to provide food and shelter for all those unwanted children.

The equating of Viagra and birth control pill is also very predictable as I have heard it many times before. The issue is why should it be paid for by insurance companies. You haven't addressed that. People can buy their own birth control - it is inexpensive. They can show some personal responsibility. ED is a disease. I was raised Catholic. I don't need the little blue pill.

I don't understand why you keep saying birth control is PAID for by insurance companies. We buy insurance to offset the high cost of medications. We pay a monthly premium and a copay based on the tier of the drub.

Here are the costs without health insurance but only 80% of insurance companies cover birth control pills

Cost of Birth Control Pills - Consumer Information

Actually it is paid for by those who pay the premiums and that would be me. I object to paying for other peoples birth control as they can foot the bill themselves. You can try to weasel word it all you want.

I'm confused.... I personally pay $98.00 monthly for my insurance and a copay for all prescriptions. How is it you think you pay anything for me.

Your joking right? Do you have any clue how actually insurance works? Apparently not.

Yes I think I do....I pay my premiums for insurance. What about that don't you understand.

Jeez. Insurance premiums go into a big pool of money for insured. Sort of like our fees here in TV go into a pool to cover all amenities and improvements.

Sometimes one village gets more improvements than they've paid for that year, sometimes a patient gets more health services than they've paid for that year.

So, who picks up the slack for the high-usage patient? The other people who have insurance.

Just so you know, you are paying an extremely low premium. My premium, female age 58, is $450 per month, with a deductible of $5,800 per annum. Obviously not on medicare, and do not qualify for any subsidies.

Do you really think your $98 per month, a rough total of $1,200 per year, could possibly pay for your health services in a healthy year?

$98.00 is for my drug premium NOT total medical monthly.....

I have never heard this absurd nonsense in regard to healthcare. You pay for you and I pay for me.

This is like talking to a rock.

"... The way it typically works is that the consumer (you) pays an up front premium to a health insurance company and that payment allows you to share ‘risk’ with lots of other people (enrollees) who are making similar payments. Since most people are healthy most of the time, the premium dollars paid to the insurance company can be used to cover the expenses of the (relatively) small number of enrollees who get sick or are injured..."


Quote from Stanford University: https://vaden.stanford.edu/us/healthinsurance/works

Very well explained.

Dear Guest:

Planned Parenthood's stated mission to assist woman in their reproductive goals is correct. How and to what extent this is interpreted and applied by its employees is the subject of the videos being on television and the internet. Once again may I remind you that the euphemism the Nazi's used was Jewish solution

As to the issue of insurance and birth control and abortion let me first say that I studied and worked all lines of insurance and was a CPCU, CLU. Obamacare is not health care it is a directive to all health care providers to ignore their underwriting criteria and insure everyone for everything. Its akin to the government telling banks (Fannie and Freddie) to let anyone buy a house and ignore whether they can pay for their loans. We saw how that worked out and we are still suffering for it.

People are going to get sticker shock when they see the increases for healthcare policies this enrollment period. By the way Obama also wants to include expenses for transgender operations, etc.

Both the housing issue and the health insurance issue are actuarial unsound
Anything that can be insured but an actuary will predict the likelihood of losses and their cost and the more likely the more premium required. Its why insurance companies won't insure damages from a war.

what I have learned while in insurance is people actually believe the money is coming from the insurance company and since they have plenty of it well........... insurance companies can't be victims; except its money actually coming from premiums you paid or taxes you and I paid.

so now I don't want to insure your birth control or abortions and as one guest said birth control pills are very inexpensive


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Yes you are rated in a risk pool that doesn't mean you are paying for my drugs. I have paid for car insurance for years without an accident there is no difference here.

You have never paid for birth control nor an abortion for me and as I am no longer at risk for procreation you never will. But I will say again I don't want to pay for your ED medication or a ***is pump either. But you had nothing say on that.

Sorry sweetheart, that is not how it works. The money goes into a pool to pay for claims. How is it possible that you don't know this?

Sigh. I surrender. It is a rock.

You all will justify everything in your own mind most likely made up by the usual right wing talking points fairy.

Perhaps you don't know this comment is sexist?

When you have lost the argument I guess you need to deflect. Whatever.

Wtf?

[QUOTE=Guest;1090916]Yes you are rated in a risk pool that doesn't mean you are paying for my drugs. I have paid for car insurance for years without an accident there is no

Dear Guest:

I original lived and worked in New York and the people living in the New York city area car insurance is being subsidized by the people living in upstate New York, I know I sat in meeting with the people who determined this.

The people living in Central Florida subsidized the homeowners living in those mega-mansions along the coast. Its why homeowners insurance is so expensive here. The sink holes in and around Tampa and the game playing some homeowners put insurance companies through because they had a crack in an outside wall is why most people can't get sink hole coverage or pay through the nose.

The workers in service industries that are demanding $15 wage hike are going to create one of two things o perhaps both. Cost of products will go up to pay for the increase in wages and/or jobs will disappear

In the world of business costs are passed on. In the world of insurance costs are passed on except their expenses

If what you say is true then each health care insured would be individually rated and that is simply not true. someone, all others are contributing to your demands.

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