[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by rustyp

I'm not familiar with the process. Once you win the lottery then what happens for the rest of your life ? You don't have to enter the lottery again and simply request a ticket ? Is there a time restriction like good for the rest of your life if only used in consecutive years ? Or could you skip 20 years ? Also is the lottery separated into non tournament days vs. tournament days and then further down by individual days ? How does all that complication play into the rest of your life privilege I.E. do you get to pick what day you want tickets for ?

Once you win in the lottery you get first chance at tickets every year unless you refuse them. If you don't buy them one year, I believe that you no longer have first refusal.

I'm not sure about picking daily tickets is an option. I've never entered the lottery but I believe that you choose from a few different packages. It might be that you are limited to whatever option you select the first time, but I don't know for sure.

Go to Masters.com and I think that all of the information is there.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by jebartle

Did you know that co-founder of Augusta National Clifford Roberts said, 'all players would be white, all caddies black" He died at 83 by suicide at Augusta National.

Do you think that things are still like that at August National or in Georgia?

Times have changed. There have been many black golfers play in the Masters and there are some black and women members now.

I congratulate Augusta National for recognizing the error of their ways and correcting themselves. I was a great thing for them to invite Lee Elder to be one of the honorary starters this year.

Cameron Champ stated in and interview this week that he loves the club and all of its traditions.

And although I would never condone their original policy, it should be noted that many of those black caddies back in those days made a lot more money than they might have made elsewhere. Some of them have been invited back to the club as honored guests during Masters week. Up until1983 players were made to use Augusta National's caddies in The Masters. Many of those caddies made in one week than they made in an entire year.

Again, I do not condone racial discrimination but many of those early caddies were uneducated and unskilled. Caddying at Augusta National gave them a lifestyle that they might never had enjoyed otherwise.

[Stu from NYC]

My prediction might still come to fruition.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

I respect what you’re saying, but I would never, ever agree that The Masters is the “easiest to win”.

It has the smallest and weakest field of any of the four majors. That makes it the easiest to win of the four majors.

Here is a list of players that have zero chance to win:
Fred Couples
Sandy Lyle
Larry Mize
Jose Maria Olazabal
Vijay Singh
Mike Weir
Ian Woosnam
Joe Long
Charles Osborne
Tyler Strafaci
Bernhard Langer
Brian Gay
Jim Herman
Mackenzie Hughes
Robert Streb
Martin Laird
Hudson Swafford
Matt Jones
Jimmy Walker

Here is a list of players that it would take a miracle for them to win:
Will Zalatoris
Matt Wallace
Robert MacIntyre
Si Woo Kim
Victor Perez
Christiaan Bezuidenhout
Bernd Wiesberger
Stewart Cink
Phil Mickelson
Francesco Molinari
Ryan Palmer
Henrik Stenson
Michael Thompson
Carlos Ortiz
Zach Johnson
(OK, we have the possibility of a miracle with Zalatoris but it's still highly unlikely)

That leaves on 54 players that you have to beat.

This year there are only three amateurs, here are usually six so that's three more that have no chance. And fewer former champions have decided to play this year. There is also a record low six first time players. There have only been two first time players that have won and one of them was Horton Smith in the first Masters. So this year's field is stronger than usual.

Now granted that the players that are left are the cream of the crop but some of the best players in the world are going to have a couple of bad rounds and not make the cut like Rory and DJ so the field could be weakened even more.

Other majors have 144 players most of whom are at the top of the OWGR. The US Open and Open Championship do have a few amateurs and guys that get in through the qualifying system but they are a small percentage.

The PGA Championship does have several club pros, but again they start with a much bigger field than The Masters.

The most difficult tournament to win however is The Players. It has by far the strongest field in golf.

All four these events have half again more players than The Masters and the top players in the are in all of them. That makes The Masters the hardest to get into and the easiest to win.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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I googled and got this from CBS Sports>

2021 Masters odds
Dustin Johnson: 9-1
Justin Thomas: 10-1
Jordan Spieth: 10-1
Bryson DeChambeau: 11-1
Jon Rahm: 12-1
Rory McIlroy: 14-1
Spieth is maybe the best value play among the favorites unless you believe in McIlroy finding his very best stuff over the next few days. DeChambeau might be slightly overvalued given his relative lack of success at Augusta National. Thomas is also hot having just won The Players Championship for the first time in his career.

Patrick Cantlay 20-1
Xander Schauffele: 22-1
Brooks Koepka: 25-1
This tier is interesting because you could see some guys slide up here if Koepka withdraws as most expect. Cantlay at 22-1 seems undervalued considering the show he just put on at Austin Country Club (despite not getting out of pool play).

Collin Morikawa: 30-1
Patrick Reed: 30-1
Lee Westwood: 30-1
Tony Finau: 33-1
Viktor Hovland: 33-1
Daniel Berger: 33-1
Hideki Matsuyama: 35-1
Scottie Scheffler: 35-1
Webb Simpson: 35-1
Cameron Smith: 35-1
Tyrrell Hatton: 35-1
Sungjae Im: 35-1
Paul Casey: 40-1
Jason Day: 45-1
Sergio Garcia: 45-1
Tommy Fleetwood: 45-1
Matthew Fitzpatrick: 45-1
Joaquin Niemann: 50-1
Bubba Watson: 50-1

2021 Masters odds to win, favorites: Dustin Johnson tops board, Jordan Spieth and Justin Thomas lurking - CBSSports.com
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Hideki at 35-1 looks pretty good right now. I don't even see Will Zalatoris on this list. Did they not know he was in the field?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

This has been a very strange year. It seems that the field is having a tough time but every day one player has a spectacular round. Rose's first day 65 was four better than the next best score.

Day two the field was a bit closer as the course played easier. Finau and Weisberger both shot 66 and there were several 67s.

Then of course yesterday, when everyone seemed to be struggling with the pace of the greens and the water on the fairways and fringes after the rain delay, Matsuyama makes four birdies and an eagle on the back nine to finish with 65 three strokes ahead of the next best score and when only four guys broke 70.

It's a very strange Masters.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by rustyp

I'm not familiar with the process. Once you win the lottery then what happens for the rest of your life ? You don't have to enter the lottery again and simply request a ticket ? Is there a time restriction like good for the rest of your life if only used in consecutive years ? Or could you skip 20 years ? Also is the lottery separated into non tournament days vs. tournament days and then further down by individual days ? How does all that complication play into the rest of your life privilege I.E. do you get to pick what day you want tickets for ?

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Once you win in the lottery you get first chance at tickets every year unless you refuse them. If you don't buy them one year, I believe that you no longer have first refusal.

I'm not sure about picking daily tickets is an option. I've never entered the lottery but I believe that you choose from a few different packages. It might be that you are limited to whatever option you select the first time, but I don't know for sure.

Go to Masters.com and I think that all of the information is there.

This is all I found on masters.com :

"All tickets will be awarded through a selection process. 2021 ticket holders of record, not selected to attend, who complete an application will be given priority to purchase tickets for the 2022 Masters Tournament."

I don't even know what that means not alone the answer to the other questions. Seems there must be a pre selection process before the selection process. I.E. what if there were more "ticket holders not selected" that now have preference for next year than tickets available next year ? Does that mean no lottery next year ? If anyone knows the answers or knows a site that spells out the entire process clearly please publish.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by rustyp

This is all I found on masters.com :

"All tickets will be awarded through a selection process. 2021 ticket holders of record, not selected to attend, who complete an application will be given priority to purchase tickets for the 2022 Masters Tournament."

I don't even know what that means not alone the answer to the other questions. Seems there must be a pre selection process before the selection process. I.E. what if there were more "ticket holders not selected" that now have preference for next year than tickets available next year ? Does that mean no lottery next year ? If anyone knows the answers or knows a site that spells out the entire process clearly please publish.

I think that what they're saying is that because of Covid and their decision to limit the number of patrons this year, they are not going to take away the privileges of those who have had tickets and decided or were not allowed to attend.

[rustyp]

I predict a Matsuyama win.

[blueash]

I predict that Matsuyama will win by one stroke with a score of minus 10

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

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It has the smallest and weakest field of any of the four majors. That makes it the easiest to win of the four majors.


Here is a list of players that it would take a miracle for them to win:

Will Zalatoris

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you must have been sweating at the end.... WZ sure looks like an up & coming winner...
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[jebartle]

Soooo. Of the predictions, Jordan Spieth, tied for third, better than most.

[Two Bills]

We were going to give up watching as it all looked a bit predictable.
Then BOOM! Game on.
Very exciting ending.
Pressure on Mr. H Matsuyama must have been so intense.
Worthy winner.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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you must have been sweating at the end.... WZ sure looks like an up & coming winner...
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No, I wasn't sweating. There is always a possibility of a miracle.

So far he's been great in two tournaments, the US Open and The Masters.

There have been players in history that seem to have been able to play their best in majors. Andy North won three tournaments in his his career and two fo them we US Opens.

There have been a lot of players that many thought were going to be the next Nicklaus, Hogan or Woods and many had streaks but didn't sustain their winning ways. There was a guy named Jack Renner back in the 70s and early 80s that was supposed to be the next Hogan. Hal Sutton was deemed to be the next Nicklaus but, although was a very good player, never reached the heights expected of him.

There have also been players that most thought had no chance to win a major and won one and were never heard from again.

We will see if Will Zalatoris becomes a great or just a guy that had a couple of good tournaments.

Jack Fleck anyone?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by jebartle

Soooo. Of the predictions, Jordan Spieth, tied for third, better than most.

Jordan's story is interesting. If he had putted the way that he did between 2013 and 2017 he would have won The Masters by ten shots.Then in 2018, his putting became average to good, but not spectacular as it had been.

He was possibly the best putter in the world and maybe the best putter in history during those five years. But he was never a good ball striker by PGA Tour standards. He has worked hard over the past three years and has improved his ball striking by leaps and bounds. His putting has stayed average. So he has found a new way to win.

I and many people have always felt that his lack of good ball striking would eventually catch up with him and it did. You can't rely on making 30 footers all the time and continue to win tournaments.

I think that he is a much more balanced player these days. Although I doubt that if he'll ever putt like he did in his prime, if he can get his putting back to 75% of what it used to be, he'll win a lot.