[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

What a great torunament. Rory McIlroy wins by shooting 64 and making birdies on five of the last six holes.

Bryson DeChambeau was in it until the last hole. Stenson struggled, Justin Rose came close, but the cream rose to the top. This is what makes for a great PGA Tour event. Several of the best players in the world battling it out to the finish.

Tiger shot himself in the foot with a ball OB on 16 but still gave us a lot of thrills. The way that Rory finished it wouldn't have mattered. Tiger will win again eventually. He's still the biggest draw in professional golf. Like all of the greatest, he'll have his haters. Nothing anyone can do about that.

As for me, I enjoy seeing history being made. Tiger has made plenty and it's likely that he'll make more.

People who are not his fans like they used to be have good reason. He made choice after choice that did not put him in a class of character with people like Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus. Skill is only one part of being a champion. One thing that soured many on him was his inability to keep his wheels on when he made a mistake. I see that changing. Most people are willing to leave the past in the past, but people don't dislike someone like him for NO reason. He gave us plenty of reasons to be disenchanted.

[Fredman]

I am willing to bet that if woods had won the tournament we would have seen the trophy presentation because they are so in love with that low life

[JoMar]

What I find interesting it the Tiger haters are on the opposite side of the competitors, the players that understand how much he brought to the game, how he introduced youth to the game, how charities have benefited from him being in the game, how he raised the purses of the tournaments, how the legends, Nicklaus and Palmer and Player have continued to praise what he has brought to the game. I wonder how many of the haters have a favorite football team, or basketball team that continually overlook the women beaters, the disrespect to our veterans the drunk driving stops (never a real conviction). Do they turn off their favorite team. If character matters then no professional sport should be watched, no governing body should be respected but........the haters will find both justification and rationalization why it's ok to watch their favorite sport but continue to hate Tiger. Based on the turnout and ratings, the haters are in the minority....and that's the way it should be.

[Fredman]

I love watching golf what I don’t like is all the pandering the net works do when it comes to Woods. Strange howi golf survived when Tiger was sidelined. There is more to greatness than just playing the game. Look at what Arnie did for children and mothers. What has woods done? Arnie is a legend. Today’s Woods is just another golfer. His crowds will diminish once they accept the fact that he is not what he used to be

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

People who are not his fans like they used to be have good reason. He made choice after choice that did not put him in a class of character with people like Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus. Skill is only one part of being a champion. One thing that soured many on him was his inability to keep his wheels on when he made a mistake. I see that changing. Most people are willing to leave the past in the past, but people don't dislike someone like him for NO reason. He gave us plenty of reasons to be disenchanted.

"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."

“Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”

"The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him"

"Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone."

"For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."

The guy has made some mistakes, no doubt, but he has also done a lot of good for the world and the game of golf. He has brought thousands to the game including young people and minorities. He has established several charities that help many people.

"Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness."

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix

You won't have to contend with this if he keeps swinging as hard as he has been. Knee or back, one will go before the season is over if he doesn't throttle back.

strange but exactly my thinking too. He is going to self-destruct attempting to swing as hard and fast as he did 10 years ago. With his short game there is no need but his ego won’t let him dial back.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Fredman

I am willing to bet that if woods had won the tournament we would have seen the trophy presentation because they are so in love with that low life

he networks low spot skipping the presentation.

And yes you are right. If Woods had won it would have been covered.

What I don't understand, accept or buy into....all the hype...he is the greatest....wow after every shot....and even when he is not on page one of the leaderboard they still dwell on him....and not those who are leading the pack.

Short changing the current leading of talent to cover a so called popular one from the past? Is not right. And we all know right or wrong is a moving target of convenience these days.

To each his own.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Fredman

I love watching golf what I don’t like is all the pandering the net works do when it comes to Woods. Strange howi golf survived when Tiger was sidelined. There is more to greatness than just playing the game. Look at what Arnie did for children and mothers. What has woods done? Arnie is a legend. Today’s Woods is just another golfer. His crowds will diminish once they accept the fact that he is not what he used to be

You might want to do some research before making an assumption that Woods hasn't done anything to benefit kids and other charities through his foundation. As I said before, fortunately haters are in the minority, supporters like most golfers and Arnie, Jack and Phil know what he did for the game and the charitable work. He may never be what he once was but still does things the other golfers can't do. He brings money into the game, increases the gate which increases the donations to the sponsored charities, raises viewership. Hate if you wish, but you are in the minority.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by JoMar

You might want to do some research before making an assumption that Woods hasn't done anything to benefit kids and other charities through his foundation. As I said before, fortunately haters are in the minority, supporters like most golfers and Arnie, Jack and Phil know what he did for the game and the charitable work. He may never be what he once was but still does things the other golfers can't do. He brings money into the game, increases the gate which increases the donations to the sponsored charities, raises viewership. Hate if you wish, but you are in the minority.

Hate is your word. Haters are likely in the minority.

But if you equate throwing a bit of his megafortune at his foundation with the personal involvement, fan-friendliness, and simple character that Arnie, Phil, Jack and many other golf greats have displayed, don't be so sure you are in the majority.

[dillywho]

I know I started this thread and I see that what I was trying to convey did not quite get there. My problem is not with Tiger, but the media. Tournament coverage in 2018 should not be devoted solely to one player and every shot, good bad or indifferent, that he makes or has ever made. Why show his shots from 2009 instead of the top competitors in the current tournament? I don't care which player gets undue coverage. I was watching golf when the other greats were playing and every shot they made was not fawned over like they do Tiger when he is in ANY tournament, and sometimes when he isn't even play or fails to make the cut. To me, it is a disservice to all, including Tiger.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by dillywho

I know I started this thread and I see that what I was trying to convey did not quite get there. My problem is not with Tiger, but the media. Tournament coverage in 2018 should not be devoted solely to one player and every shot, good bad or indifferent, that he makes or has ever made. Why show his shots from 2009 instead of the top competitors in the current tournament? I don't care which player gets undue coverage. I was watching golf when the other greats were playing and every shot they made was not fawned over like they do Tiger when he is in ANY tournament, and sometimes when he isn't even play or fails to make the cut. To me, it is a disservice to all, including Tiger.

I understand what you are saying and I agree. I also think that how people FEEL about Tiger Woods may have a lot to do with gender. My husband is more willing to give him another chance. I just have never liked his "ups and downs" and angry faces and bad language. That isn't the golf I know or like from amateurs OR professionals. Golfers have always been to me, a cut above other athletes in their behavior. Golfers to me are supposed to act like ladies and gentlemen.

I know this; What the camera focuses on has a lot to do with the producers of the piece and WHAT THEY THINK INTERESTS PEOPLE. Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't.

[Bay Kid]

As long as he doesn't drop his club after a hit or use bad language, nice to see him back.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I understand what you are saying and I agree. I also think that how people FEEL about Tiger Woods may have a lot to do with gender. My husband is more willing to give him another chance. I just have never liked his "ups and downs" and angry faces and bad language. That isn't the golf I know or like from amateurs OR professionals. Golfers have always been to me, a cut above other athletes in their behavior. Golfers to me are supposed to act like ladies and gentlemen.

I know this; What the camera focuses on has a lot to do with the producers of the piece and WHAT THEY THINK INTERESTS PEOPLE. Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't.

You're absolutely correct in that the media is only showing what people want to see. Tiger generates more interest in a golf tournament than all of the other players combined. He generates more interest than any player since Arnold Palmer.

You'll see angry faces from all of the players and bad language from many of them. They are usually fined for using bad language. The reason that it seems that Tiger uses bad language more than other players is that he is on your television screen a lot more than other players. As the OP points out, it could be as much as one half of the coverage is dedicated to Tiger. I guarantee that if most of the other players were on the screen as much as Tiger, you'd see and hear the same things.

Then again, as I tried to convey earlier, we should balance the negatives with the positives. Tiger has done more for golf than any other golfer except for possibly Arnold Palmer. He has generated interest in golf from minorities and young people. This is good for both of those groups.

He also does a huge amount of charity work and has established charities that that help hundreds of thousands of needy people. This to me, outweighs his occasional swear word.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Fredman

I love watching golf what I don’t like is all the pandering the net works do when it comes to Woods. Strange howi golf survived when Tiger was sidelined. There is more to greatness than just playing the game. Look at what Arnie did for children and mothers. What has woods done? Arnie is a legend. Today’s Woods is just another golfer. His crowds will diminish once they accept the fact that he is not what he used to be

Not only has he increased interest in golf exponentially, but he also uses his fame to help others.

PGA TOUR Charities: Tiger Woods

More young people and minorities have gotten into golf directly because of Tiger. He is not, and never will be, just another golfer. That's like saying that Arnold Palmer or Jack Nicklaus was just another golfer once their skills diminished.

And he'snot to that point yet. He is in the midst of a comeback and has come very close to winning the last two events that he's entered. I believe that he'll win again and if I'm not mistaken he is one of the favorites in the upcoming Masters.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Not only has he increased interest in golf exponentially, but he also uses his fame to help others.

PGA TOUR Charities: Tiger Woods

More young people and minorities have gotten into golf directly because of Tiger. He is not, and never will be, just another golfer. That's like saying that Arnold Palmer or Jack Nicklaus was just another golfer once their skills diminished.

And he'snot to that point yet. He is in the midst of a comeback and has come very close to winning the last two events that he's entered. I believe that he'll win again and if I'm not mistaken he is one of the favorites in the upcoming Masters.

We can tell you really like Tiger Woods, Jim. He wouldn't be my pick for a dinner guest. (He probably already knows I put Velveeta in my cheese sauce and would turn me down, anyway.) sigh.