[ithos]

Originally Posted by Battlebasset

I often ask people like this that if they think climate change is real and an existential threat, what are they personally sacrificing to make me believe that they believe it. Usually the response is crickets, mumbles about solar panels and EV or outright anger that I would ask such a question.

Until you really show me some sacrifice, I dismiss such people as only believing in climate change because it is (1) Cool (2) Let's them feel superior or (3) a political talking point.

I concur on your opinion about global warming. The first IPCC meeting in 1988 had three phases. The first phase was mostly a meeting of the scientists but the last phase was dominated by the politicians and bureaucrats. I researched it at the time because of all the scaremongering about the destruction of the planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF0hcsMVDx0

However the demand for animal protein leads to substantial waste of water. Beef can take 1500 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef. Not to mention the pollution created. And it takes 20x the land to produce that same amount of calories for plants.

If someone has other data to the contrary please enlighten me.

[ithos]

Maybe the vegans, omnivores and carnivores are all wrong.

"The Drinking Man's Diet"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o9fdFWey8s

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It's also important to know that Impossible Burgers are NOT vegan, and strict vegetarians wouldn't consider it vegetarian either. One of the ingredients is "heme." Heme is the iron found exclusively in animal blood. It can't be synthesized.

Several websites, including Impossible's, disagree. Impossible claims their heme is derived from soy.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I tried an "Impossible Burger" when they 1st came out...

I tossed it in the garbage after two bites. I couldn't choke it down...

I tried a slider once. Tasted like burger to me. Just don't see a need to eat something just like a burger when I can easily get a burger.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Battlebasset

I often ask people like this that if they think climate change is real and an existential threat, what are they personally sacrificing to make me believe that they believe it. Usually the response is crickets, mumbles about solar panels and EV or outright anger that I would ask such a question.

Until you really show me some sacrifice, I dismiss such people as only believing in climate change because it is (1) Cool (2) Let's them feel superior or (3) a political talking point.

Why? It's easy to believe in facts, and not try to "do" anything about them.

I believe there's a lot of social injustice in the world. But I have no intention of flying anywhere to fix it. That doesn't mean I think I'm cool for believing it. Or that I feel superior to someone else just because I believe it. And I don't consider it a political talking point. There IS social injustice in the world, whether it's convenient for you to recognize that fact or not. I also don't expect you to do anything about it - because you're not obligated to do anything about it. Neither am I.

I believe that climate change is a thing. I believe humans have contributed to the speed and severity of it, even though I also do NOT believe that we caused it. I don't do all that much about it, because I don't consider myself obligated to do much about it. I do a little - my flower bed attracts pollinators. I re-use bags from grocery stores, instead of buying brand new virgin plastic waste bags. When the weather permits, I walk to the postal station instead of wasting fossil fuels by driving to it. I do a little. If everyone did a little, there could be a slow-down of the climate changes on this planet. But I don't think we need to feel obligated. Our species will be wiped out eventually and replaced with a species that can live in whatever is left of the planet when we're done with it.

[JP]

Two of my closest friends, crazily committed vegans, died a couple of years ago and were my age. Veganism certainly didn't help them. If not eating meat is important to you great, but I don't really think it will do much in your life.

[Battlebasset]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Why? It's easy to believe in facts, and not try to "do" anything about them.

I perhaps wasn't clear. My apologies.

I have no problem with someone believing in climate change. I believe that weather/weather patterns are always changing, so I guess you could say that I believe in it as well.

My beef (pun intended) are those that claim that (1) man is the main cause and (2) it's an existential threat that requires billions, if not trillions, to be spent to correct it. But in their own life, there is little evidence that they have changed their lifestyle at all in response to their "belief". They seem to think that the elusive "someone else" should do something/sacrifice. Not them. Thus my three suppositions of why they loudly proclaim such a position.

All of those things you do are wise and prudent actions of someone who wants to conserve and reduce pollution. I've done those things all my life as well. I keep my cars until the wheels go square. It saves me money, but also reduces the number of cars in landfills. I have a lithium ion golf cart. I bought it because it made sense for something that never goes further than 30 miles round trip from my house, but I guess it creates less air pollution as well.

If the focus is on reducing pollution, I'm all for it. Solar and wind to change the climate of an entire planet? A fool and his money are soon parted. Might as well wash your car in an attempt to make it rain.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I tried an "Impossible Burger" when they 1st came out...

I tossed it in the garbage after two bites. I couldn't choke it down...

It took TWO bites to make the decision to toss it?

Years ago, a friend invited us over to his home for supper. He said he was a vegetarian so he served lasagna with soy meat instead of hamburger. It was actually good, so I figured I would try to make it, just for S and G's. The soy meat cost more than hamburger so I gave up on that idea. Hamburger works just fine for me, and I also make my lasagna with sausage too. Regardless of health ramifications, I DO enjoy a greasy mushroom and Swiss burger. I won't ridicule folks that eat "impossible" burgers, but when someone wants veggies to taste like meat, it seems to me that they really wish they were eating meat. I've eaten a veggie hot dog when I was a kid and remember it as okay. But, would never chose a fake hotdog over a real one, if given a choice.

I doubt if I could be enticed to eat an "impossible burger." But, if we ever run out of beef, I would eat a turkey burger or chicken fillet......not a fake burger. Still trying to understand why folks want something that "tastes just like a real burger."

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Byte1

It took TWO bites to make the decision to toss it?

LOL! I was pretty sure after ONE bite, but I wanted to give it a fair shot...

[Calisport]

Many people have gotten sick from the impossible burger. Too many bad ingredients in it making it taste like beef. Read up online about it. I used to eat it but got sick over and over again. I would avoid hamburger too. Take a steak and grind it up instead if you must.

[Normal]

I would rather just chow as I please and take my staton.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by JP

Two of my closest friends, crazily committed vegans, died a couple of years ago and were my age. Veganism certainly didn't help them. If not eating meat is important to you great, but I don't really think it will do much in your life.

Anecdotal observations are scientifically irrelevant. My PSA was 2.5 but for the last several tests it dropped to less than 1 after I changed my diet. But this too is anecdotal.

There are studies too numerous to count proving that whole food plant based diets are best for longevity and avoiding cancer and heart disease. https://www.bluezones.com/
There are many medical programs that can reverse heart disease, diabetes, autoimmune diseases and in some cases even cancer. The number one priority is to change to a whole food plant based diet. Goodbye Lupus by Brooke Goldner, M.D. - YouTube
The only Medicare approved program to reverse heart disease is based primarily on the WFPB diet. NCD - Ornish Program for Reversing Heart Disease (20.31.2)

If you can find peer reviewed studies from reputable medical organizations that show that animal protein diets are good for these diseases then please post them.

Keep in mind, this thread began with a post commenting about the taste comparison between an impossible burger and a meat hamburger and it turned into vegan bash fest which is fine but Archie Bunker style comments are no substitute for real science.

[JerryLBell]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

There’s always that roadside watermelon you recommend to settle it all down!

I haven't seen him in a while. The season is over. I am SO sad... I count down the days before he comes back! I feel the need to cut a big ole honkin' watermelon in half and dive in, head first!

[Normal]

Originally Posted by JerryLBell

I haven't seen him in a while. The season is over. I am SO sad... I count down the days before he comes back! I feel the need to cut a big ole honkin' watermelon in half and dive in, head first!

If so, fill it with Vodka first.

[Taltarzac725]

The few White Castle burgers I had a few nights ago were so, so good .