[SHIBUMI]

Lessons that take a beginner and makes them a bogey golfer.

Lessons that take experienced golfers and reduce their handicaps 25-50%?

New clubs never do the trick. Just new toys. As Lee Trevino said, "It takes a new club a month to get to know you.
Then it acts just like the old one.

[GpaVader]

Not sure there is a generic answer for this as much of this depends on your learning style and finding a teacher that matches it.

What worked best for me was I played and struggled to keep it at the century mark, never broke that until I was finishing a degree and needed a Phy Ed credit, they had a golf class. It broke you down to the basics and it wasn't someone hovering over you, they got you started and walked around and gave you help when you needed it. This got me down to shoot in the 90's... All for the cost of one credit, $80 then and my company reimbursed me for it....

After that it was finding a pro that had a teaching style compatible. But you need to know your learning style...

[Velvet]

What is a great golf lesson? I take lessons every time I get back to TV, and happily hit the golf courses again. Do I get better? I think so. One instructor taught me absolutely nothing, one was way too challenging and tiring and one was just right (as Goldilocks would put it).

[SHIBUMI]

You hit the nail on the head, we all have a different learning style, great teachers understand that, but, the physics and geometry of the golf swing require some things folks are unaware of.

I am sure your instructor was not a teaching professional??

And your happy with bogey golf. Sweet!

Originally Posted by GpaVader

Not sure there is a generic answer for this as much of this depends on your learning style and finding a teacher that matches it.

What worked best for me was I played and struggled to keep it at the century mark, never broke that until I was finishing a degree and needed a Phy Ed credit, they had a golf class. It broke you down to the basics and it wasn't someone hovering over you, they got you started and walked around and gave you help when you needed it. This got me down to shoot in the 90's... All for the cost of one credit, $80 then and my company reimbursed me for it....

After that it was finding a pro that had a teaching style compatible. But you need to know your learning style...

[SHIBUMI]

One that decreases your score......... not just soothing to the mind

Originally Posted by Velvet

What is a great golf lesson? I take lessons every time I get back to TV, and happily hit the golf courses again. Do I get better? I think so. One instructor taught me absolutely nothing, one was way too challenging and tiring and one was just right (as Goldilocks would put it).

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by GpaVader

Not sure there is a generic answer for this as much of this depends on your learning style and finding a teacher that matches it.

There are essentially, only 3 methods people learn to play a sport, although often some people combine 2 of them (seldom 3).

The 3 area: Visual, Auditory, and Kinesthetic.

You watch someone perform the motion.

Someone explains the motion to you.

You "feel" the motion.

If a teacher (& student) doesn't understand these basics, it's nearly impossible to learn.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

There are essentially, only 3 methods people learn to play a sport, although often some people combine 2 of them (seldom 3).

The 3 area: Visual, Auditory, and Kinesthetic.

You watch someone perform the motion.

Someone explains the motion to you.

You "feel" the motion.

If a teacher (& student) doesn't understand these basics, it's nearly impossible to learn.

IMO Also once have clue with right grip, stands, and swing pattern. Hours Practice only way improve. Golf like tennis harder IMO cause you have several different stroke techniques to master and be able to repeat that when pressure on. Evidently you will master your own style with some confidence and consistency. May take months or years to be able to play at high level.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

One that decreases your score......... not just soothing to the mind

Called repetition and concentration when pressure on.

[SHIBUMI]

The best learning is when all 3 are accomplished. Great lessons do this. With all 3 touched upon and explained greatness happens. With only 1 mediocre results, with 2 slightly better than mediocre, with 3 you reach beyond your perceived potential.


BUT, some folks are happy with mediocre, some with slightly more than mediocre, and others seek to maximize their potential. Nothing wrong with your acceptability quotient. The you tubers and magazine readers become better in their mind but not in their score.

Any PGA Pro can teach the first 1 or 2, more gifted PGA Teachers hit all 3. The best players are not the best teachers and vice versa.

New methodologies are making all 3 possible in shorter periods of time. But, as usual it's what the students become happy with. Golf is not a moving ball sport, no reaction time needed, its proper mechanics in the golf swing that move the ball. Knowing those can turn mediocre into extremely better golfers.

Golf is cow pasture pool. You need to know how to control the Q ball around the table.
That control makes for more extreme fun and sense of accomplishment. But, not everyone wants that.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

There are essentially, only 3 methods people learn to play a sport, although often some people combine 2 of them (seldom 3).

The 3 area: Visual, Auditory, and Kinesthetic.

You watch someone perform the motion.

Someone explains the motion to you.

You "feel" the motion.

If a teacher (& student) doesn't understand these basics, it's nearly impossible to learn.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

What should be the price of great golf lessons?
One that decreases your score.........

How about a fee based on the average reduction in score over the next 3 months? I've taken golf lessons many times, but I rarely get any better. I'm naturally athletic, and usually hit several really good shots in any round, but have zero ability to do it consistently. Unlike other sports where practice seems to improve your game, golf seems to be unwilling to conform.

If anyone knows a golf pro who charges by score improvement, I would pay double the going rate, or nothing at all.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

How about a fee based on the average reduction in score over the next 3 months? I've taken golf lessons many times, but I rarely get any better. I'm naturally athletic, and usually hit several really good shots in any round, but have zero ability to do it consistently. Unlike other sports where practice seems to improve your game, golf seems to be unwilling to conform.

If anyone knows a golf pro who charges by score improvement, I would pay double the going rate, or nothing at all.

What's your handicap?

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

One that decreases your score......... not just soothing to the mind

Only if that is what is really important to you. But I like to have fun on the golf course and a lower score is only part of it.

I watch some people hit with fantastic accuracy, over and over, at the practice range/on the course. And in great pain, well, no thanks, not for me.

[SHIBUMI]

with only minor adjustments........ hockey players pick up golf the easiest as the slap shot is a good impact position

Baseball, Basketball, Footballers are athletic enough to get into that range because they have body control, they just need to know how to us it

The proper lessons can make you a better ball striker and it should lower scores, BUT, if you play not knowing what to do(how to move) for different shots, the score won't get lower. BUT, as an athlete you have a gift most don't, and they can get into the 78-84 range without that advantage.

It all comes back to methodology...........

Originally Posted by Pugchief

How about a fee based on the average reduction in score over the next 3 months? I've taken golf lessons many times, but I rarely get any better. I'm naturally athletic, and usually hit several really good shots in any round, but have zero ability to do it consistently. Unlike other sports where practice seems to improve your game, golf seems to be unwilling to conform.

If anyone knows a golf pro who charges by score improvement, I would pay double the going rate, or nothing at all.

[SHIBUMI]

double the bet on the back nine......its only a matter of time before bad technique collapses..........

Originally Posted by Velvet

Only if that is what is really important to you. But I like to have fun on the golf course and a lower score is only part of it.

I watch some people hit with fantastic accuracy, over and over, at the practice range/on the course. And in great pain, well, no thanks, not for me.

[jimhoward]

I have observed that most players who have played a few years and have reasonable fundamentals don't improve much, score-wise with more lessons.

Personally, I have taken hundreds lessons. I always do fairly long series. I have done Golftec (about 200 with them), and several different Club teaching professionals (PGA Class A) over the years.

I started golf late in life (my late 40s). At first, lessons helped, since my fundamentals were bad and was not hitting the ball well. But the rate of improvement tailed off quickly.

Probably 80% of my lessons have been full swing done either outside on a range or inside on a simulator. Those only help incrementally. 20% have been short game, bunkers, putting, or course management (on course playing lessons). Those help more than the full swing lessons do.