[kittygilchrist]

BBC News - David Cameron outlines new anti-terror measures to MPs

Apparently UK response takes threat to civilians worth attention. Should US consider action?

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

BBC News - David Cameron outlines new anti-terror measures to MPs

Apparently UK response takes threat to civilians worth attention. Should US consider action?

Apparently our congress (unlike the British) doesn't consider the issue important enough to cut its vacation short and come back to Washington to debate the use of military force.

[billethkid]

our system of politics does not include the citizenry as it does in the UK and many other countries of the civilized world.

Our politicians priorities, all of them, is getting re-elected and making sure thier donors and special interest groups are taken care of or not offended.

On the other hand we the people here are much more tolerable of the governments failings as evidenced by the continual re-election of do nothing, politics as usual, law makers. And all elected officials rely on the apathy and non reaction of the American people.....THEY COUNT ON IT and are rarely disappointed.

We the people get what we deserve/allow.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Apparently our congress (unlike the British) doesn't consider the issue important enough to cut its vacation short and come back to Washington to debate the use of military force.

Apparently our president has not had a class on MS&T.

The UK is seizing passports of suspected terrorists. We are past baby games in this issue. We need to quit being politically correct and deal with this issue instead of tip toeing around it.

[rubicon]

BTK addressed my take on this issue. To expand further I believe it is a material conflict of interest for a politician to put forth his/her interests (being elected or reelected) before the demands of voters and it reinforces the need for term limits. The only way that is going to happen is if a national referendum were on the ballot forcing by law political candidates to stipulate to term limits. finding a politician to agree to proposing such a referendum

This conflict of interest not only violates the Constitution but by virtue of the fact that politicians are protecting their own interest they are neglecting important strategies to protect this country.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by rubicon

BTK addressed my take on this issue. To expand further I believe it is a material conflict of interest for a politician to put forth his/her interests (being elected or reelected) before the demands of voters and it reinforces the need for term limits. The only way that is going to happen is if a national referendum were on the ballot forcing by law political candidates to stipulate to term limits. finding a politician to agree to proposing such a referendum

This conflict of interest not only violates the Constitution but by virtue of the fact that politicians are protecting their own interest they are neglecting important strategies to protect this country.

Simply stated!!!

[Moderator]

Please stay on topic of US/UK response to ISIS .... the majority of the posts thus far discuss general political process. If this continues, the thread will be closed.

[kittygilchrist]

Not much you can say here is there?

[graciegirl]

I remember a popular song when I was a little girl, when the US and the UK were fighting the Nazi's.

you tube. praise the lord and pass the ammunition - Bing Videos


I so believe in being allowed to say what is in our hearts. That is what freedom is.

[graciegirl]

I thought this thread was closed. I didn't sleep well last night I thought about the second young man slain on camera so the film could be sent to the world, but particularly us.

The United Kingdom is trying to deal with this realistically. They are taking passports from suspected terrorists. Which means of course that they are profiling.

PLEASE do not bring up the crusades. This is NOW and we are in real danger; every man, woman and child in the U.S. who is not Muslim and maybe those peaceful Muslims too.

And I just said don't bring up history, but last night as I was unable to sleep, I kept thinking...Nero fiddles while Rome burns.

[Rags123]

1. The President does have the constitutional authority to call congress into session if he feels it is important.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/...raSessions.pdf

2. Congress is asking for action and plans despite on recess.

"In the wake of ISIS’s latest alleged killing of an American journalist, leading lawmakers from both parties are calling for a bigger role in the U.S. war against the terrorist group.

Leading lawmakers in charge of foreign policy reacted Tuesday to the reported beheading of American journalist Steven Sotloff by increasing their calls for more congressional involvement and oversight of President Obama’s war on ISIS.

The latest apparent ISIS atrocity against an American citizen added to the congressional anger at the Obama administration for what many critics call an incomplete and unclear plan to confront the group both in Iraq and Syria, ....."

After Steven Sotloff Murder, Congress Demands a Vote on Obama

I, frankly, support the President insuring a master plan is together....that is based on the premise that he will have a plan to first of all as is his JOB....secure the borders here to insure the threat does not reach our shores. This is his first and primary job and it concerns me greatly that there is no more said about this.

Also, despite those who professed here yesterday that the middle east and Iraq specifically was a calm nice place prior to our invasion of 2003, this violence in the area has been going on for centuries......Iraq has invaded countries, used gas on its citizens, etc well before we even saw the lights of Baghdad. Syria has been killing its own children for years now. Point is that this violence is not new and our threats are not going to scare anyone away.

Secure our country first in a serious and meaningful way and do it so everyone is aware we are doing it.

Then come together and decide even though it will not get votes, the best thing FOR OUR COUNTRY is a long term commitment of some kind to insure that these radical groups cannot get a foothold. As I said many times...we live in a very small world now, and the protection of our country is now something that does not stop at our borders.

In my opinion, we cannot walk away from this. This region has been bloody and dangerous for so many years.....we need a presence there, even if we do not like that idea. Our absence is, has, will cause so many vacuums for these groups to fill that it will become so much more dangerous. And, trust me...these groups WILL COME HERE FIRST CHANCE. If you do not believe that....if you believe we can live in this modern world as on an island, well.....I just do not know what to say.

This being added later...the above is long term and must be supplemented by saying that we need to raise h.ll at the UN..I am not speaking of making statements but a real firestorm of demands for action. The support I give to the President is on the assumption he is putting together a coalition much like we did when Iraq invaded Kuwait and President GW Bush was able to put together a coalition. This particular coalition will require a lot more freedom of action and thus becomes a bit more difficult.

In the mean time...use the allowance in Iraq to bomb whatever ISIS locations into obliviion. Get Iraq back under control and then concentrate on Syria, which is much more tricky at this point.

[Boudicca]

Response to Graciegirl
I too had a restless and sleepless night due my thoughts repeatedly "replaying" the barbaric acts being perpetrated by ISIS with impunity. Beheading, crucifixion and other horrific ways by which to kill their enemies underscores ISIS contempt for "non believers". This tidal wave of death and destruction is headed our way, and my sleeplessness was driven by fear and a feeling of helplessness. Sadly, I sense our country is adrift with no solution to this horror. "Leader" in the dictionary is : a person or thing that leads. and a guiding or directing head, as of an army, movement, or political group. Think what is to come in a very few years. A mere 30 years ago, terrorism was something which occurred "somewhere else", certainly not in America. What do we have to "look forward to" in the next 30 years. With many of us being in our sixties, our futures do not look as bright and shining, carefree and comfortable as we once thought.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by shrandell

Response to Graciegirl
I too had a restless and sleepless night due my thoughts repeatedly "replaying" the barbaric acts being perpetrated by ISIS with impunity. Beheading, crucifixion and other horrific ways by which to kill their enemies underscores ISIS contempt for "non believers". This tidal wave of death and destruction is headed our way, and my sleeplessness was driven by fear and a feeling of helplessness. Sadly, I sense our country is adrift with no solution to this horror available to us. "Leader" in the dictionary is : a person or thing that leads. and a guiding or directing head, as of an army, movement, or political group. Think what is to come in a very few years. A mere 30 years ago, terrorism was something which occurred "somewhere else", certainly not in America. What do we have to "look forward to" in the next 30 years. With many of us being in our sixties, our futures do not look as bright and shining, carefree and comfortable as we once thought.

I understand your feelings Sandra. I kept thinking about the images I saw awhile back of Muslims blocking traffic in London. And wonder why?

[Boudicca]

In the UK (and USA) officials are elected by their constituants and represent the wishes of that community. Thus the majority populace legally elect their own officials. Sharia Law is now adopted into the British Legal system. Some cities legally bar non believers from entering those designated areas posted with "Sharia Law

Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs - Telegraph

This is a factual response to a question raised on this thread of "why" and is not a slur or insult aimed at anyone. To quote Rodney King "Why can't we all just get along"

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I understand your feelings Sandra. I kept thinking about the images I saw awhile back of Muslims blocking traffic in London. And wonder why?

"SLOW DOWN' ---- I am a Muslim and dont like your bashing all Muslims --------- I am asking the moderator to close down this post -----if the same old people who have a great hatred for all Muslims--do not stop bashing ALL Musllims --- I do not hate all Christians