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Originally Posted by bobfl

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In the end, the only thing being "stimulated" is Special Interests which could not get a dime if their "requests" were given single-bill or single-amendment open scrutiny. However, with the administration trying to ramrod in one swoop all this kiss-butt spending - which we will be stuck with for many years once the "initial" funding goes in place - the middle class gets screwed again. Now we can see why there is such a rush to get this bill passed - as most of the money is nothing but payoffs and pork.

When you get your tax bill next year and subsequent years, remember who voted for this absurdity.....

I agree that some of the proposed expenditures are not worthwhile and would burden our society for years to come. What expenditures would be considered constructive and worthwhile?
Maybe we can start a list....

I would rank unemployment benefits a must. Designate money to repair our highways and rail systems, funding to retrain our job force, a tax cut for the middle class and lower business taxes.

pick those pork entities that have absolutely nothing to do with "stimulating" the economy. Foe example the millions earmarked for STD (sexually transmitted diseases). And many more obvious like it. It is business as usual in Washington, DC.
Obama says let's not waste time trying to get it perfect, just pass it!!
Now just where is the change in the processing of this piece of legislation? Don't strain the gray matter...there is none.
Business as usual and Obama is NOT edicting get the fluff out...only ram rodding, get it done.

How much more simple could it be than to stand tall and tell the insider cronies to cull out the pork that is totally, completely un related to stimulating the economy.

Another example of Washington insider practices being continued by a Washington insider administration....talking change....but walking same-o-same-o!!!!

New administration.....SOS...the polite version= same old stuff.

Too much of a hurry to do it right....really sends a message to the law makers eh?

BTK

Originally Posted by Guest

pick those pork entities that have absolutely nothing to do with "stimulating" the economy. Foe example the millions earmarked for STD (sexually transmitted diseases). And many more obvious like it. It is business as usual in Washington, DC.
Obama says let's not waste time trying to get it perfect, just pass it!!
Now just where is the change in the processing of this piece of legislation? Don't strain the gray matter...there is none.
Business as usual and Obama is NOT edicting get the fluff out...only ram rodding, get it done.

How much more simple could it be than to stand tall and tell the insider cronies to cull out the pork that is totally, completely un related to stimulating the economy.

Another example of Washington insider practices being continued by a Washington insider administration....talking change....but walking same-o-same-o!!!!

New administration.....SOS...the polite version= same old stuff.

Too much of a hurry to do it right....really sends a message to the law makers eh?

BTK

Rep. Pelosi recently said that she estimates the number of people unemployed in the US at 11 million workers. Ironically, the number of illegal aliens in the US is estimated at between 15-20 million, and 2/3rd of them would be "workers."

So, it would seem a reasonable "stimulus" would be to remove/isolate illegal aliens from the workplace, and those jobs now being done by illegals would be available to US workers. Employers would have to pay competitive wages for the US workers, and the money would cycle within the US economy instead of a significant percentage leaving the US via foreign remittance.

There are no jobs Americans won't do, but the wage needs to be commensurate to the labor.

Continued condoning of illegal alien labor in any form is tantamount to condoning economic slavery.

Let's be clear - much of the world is dependent on US consumerism. Until we build our economy back, we can't assist the rest of the world in their economic recovery. So, let's stop encouraging illegal alien labor use, as it keeps Americans out of work and exploits peoples who further seek public assistance to remain and survive in the US.

Rep. Pelosi wants the US to borrow $900Billion to help employ a large percentage of the 11 million unemployed American workers AND keep the illegal alien population "employed" in slave-wage conditions as well AND fund a slew of feel-good special-interest programs.

That's a good deal ? ?

I thought that President Obama campaigned against what he called the "politics of fear"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090205/...s_stimulus_126

since winning the election.
He continues to headline how bad things are and how long it will take to fix.
Now being POTUS for all of two weeks he has the insight to make a statement that either give me my bill or we may never recover from recession! Wow what insight....counter to every historical record of recessions and recovery.
Another historic event in the making? The USA possibly never recovering from recession.
He is peddling fear as fast as his speech writers can put it to paper.
I am so anxious to see the miracle of this stimulous package. So far the fed sent out checks to all last year...result....zip!
The government bailout of $700 billion had to be passed quickly to get the US economy in recovery as fast as possible...result....zip.
Now the new administration is singing the same hymn from the political handbook, laced with fear of do this or else. New adminstration....same music...no change!!!!!
When they do pass it maybe we can all eat pork!!

In my opinion, if this miracle threat bill does not show some improvement what could possibly be the next wishful act? The real fear should be if the miracle does not work....then what?
Eventually enough time will pass...the economy will begin to improve but not as a result of any of the rescues, bail outs or stimulations. It would have happened over time without all the political bluster and bull feces.

Time for some cheerleading and encouragement and hang up the hand wringing and the sky may fall rhetoric. It doesn't cost nearly as much.

BTK

The rest of the world has thought us stupid in recent years. And in November we proved it. We have employed the fox to govern the hen house, and the cost will be extreme. The founding fathers of this Republic must be spinning in their graves!

Originally Posted by Fourpar

The rest of the world has thought us stupid in recent years. And in November we proved it. We have employed the fox to govern the hen house, and the cost will be extreme. The founding fathers of this Republic must be spinning in their graves!

And employing the Geezer and the Dingbat would have been somehow smart???

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

And employing the Geezer and the Dingbat would have been somehow smart???

Let's be realistic - the President is not the all-knowing guru on economics, but rather is the water-carrier for the Democratic Congress who is shoving the largest pork-pie in history at breakneck speed, and using the recession as the reason for avoiding scrutiny, to feather the party nest via special interest payoffs and "social" programs which could never stand public review otherwise.

To try to sneak in The great condom purchase, ACORN funding, increases to the National Endowment for the Arts, etc. at a time when many Americans are nervous about jobs, keeping their homes, etc is SICKENING as line items in an "economic stimulus" package, and the authors of those (and other similar) line items should be made public for the opportunists they are.

I'm surprised there is not a ground-swell of anger from average-American Democrats, because their party leadership has snookered them under the guise of bailouts to protect average Americans.

We can disagree on whether bailouts are necessary to prop up the economy, and disagree in good faith. However, this blatant budget expansion for pet projects and obvious payoffs to special interests has no place in a piece of legislation publicized as a life preserver for the economy.

Where's the hurry on Condom-Gate, NEA funding, ACORN funding, etc ? ? ? Why can't those items go through the regular legislative process? Who's kidding whom here !

"Who's kidding who here?" You're all kidding yourselves if you think anyone, ANYONE, can step into office and after only two weeks, clean up the putrid mess left by George Bush.

I certainly wish "There are no jobs Americans won't do," was true. The question is how well will they do those jobs? Many of our offspring have an incredible sense of entitlement. I still contend that a man/woman unwilling
to give you an honest days labor at a lower wage scale will not work any better at a higher wage. It's about work ethic and many Americans need a healthy dose. I am not painting all Americans with this brush. Many of us have worked exceptionally hard and have sacrificed to live the American dream. Many are still doing so. I just don't buy into the argument that all Americans are hardworking. I do know many Americans will not be willing to pay the price of goods if we get rid of all the alien laborers.

Originally Posted by SteveZ

Rep. Pelosi recently said that she estimates the number of people unemployed in the US at 11 million workers. Ironically, the number of illegal aliens in the US is estimated at between 15-20 million, and 2/3rd of them would be "workers."

So, it would seem a reasonable "stimulus" would be to remove/isolate illegal aliens from the workplace, and those jobs now being done by illegals would be available to US workers. Employers would have to pay competitive wages for the US workers, and the money would cycle within the US economy instead of a significant percentage leaving the US via foreign remittance.

There are no jobs Americans won't do, but the wage needs to be commensurate to the labor.

Continued condoning of illegal alien labor in any form is tantamount to condoning economic slavery.

Let's be clear - much of the world is dependent on US consumerism. Until we build our economy back, we can't assist the rest of the world in their economic recovery. So, let's stop encouraging illegal alien labor use, as it keeps Americans out of work and exploits peoples who further seek public assistance to remain and survive in the US.

Rep. Pelosi wants the US to borrow $900Billion to help employ a large percentage of the 11 million unemployed American workers AND keep the illegal alien population "employed" in slave-wage conditions as well AND fund a slew of feel-good special-interest programs.

That's a good deal ? ?

Originally Posted by samhass

I certainly wish "There are no jobs Americans won't do," was true. The question is how well will they do those jobs? Many of our offspring have an incredible sense of entitlement. I still contend that a man/woman unwilling
to give you an honest days labor at a lower wage scale will not work any better at a higher wage. It's about work ethic and many Americans need a healthy dose. I am not painting all Americans with this brush. Many of us have worked exceptionally hard and have sacrificed to live the American dream. Many are still doing so. I just don't buy into the argument that all Americans are hardworking. I do know many Americans will not be willing to pay the price of goods if we get rid of all the alien laborers.

I absolutely, completely and totally agree SamHass!!

The criticism is of the time worn, accomplish nothing new, by the same old insiders.....which factually is the make up of the new administration.

The said in the campaign there shall be no pork in bills during his tenure. That is all that is being measured. As Barney Frank (....sorry can't even say the name without breaking up) pontificates....well it is 25% less pork than usual and while not perfect is an improvement. And then Obama chides...let's not waste time on perfection.
Nothing aimed at whether accomplished or not in ONLY TWO WEEKS!!!
The methodology is same-o-same-o, business as usual by the same-o same-o insiders who were there for the 5 presidents...incompetent re-elected to office by both parties....lead by imcompetent, lack luster, same-o same-o, accomplish nothing performance. And now condoned by our new, self professed change agent POTUS Obama on supposedly "...survival of the USA if you don't approve..." legislation.
The question of the thread is what happened to doing it right? No pork?
And for those always insistent on measuring according to Bush...methodology wise....no change!!!!!BTK

Originally Posted by chelsea24

"Who's kidding who here?" You're all kidding yourselves if you think anyone, ANYONE, can step into office and after only two weeks, clean up the putrid mess left by George Bush.

NOBODY is criticizing the President for what you so eloquently refer to. Where did you hear any criticism of results ? Please post a link !!!

Have you read the posts and the news lately ?