OMG! Yoda! You're a hoot!

May the Force be with you!

Originally Posted by Yoda

First of all, these bonuses were retention bonuses. Many were working for $1. Put yourself in there place. Forget who the company or the amount of money for a moment. You work for a company that is in trouble. You naturally want to find another job. You are a valued employee and your leaving at this time would make it harder to recover but you have to think of your family. The company comes to you and asks, "Please work for 1 more year. We cannot pay you per week but if you stay for the year, we will pay you X." Would you expect to be paid if you agreed to stay and did stay the required time?

I have been in that position. I worked for a company that was acquiring other companies. In my opinion, I was a blue collar worker. I was a software developer, not management, not a wheel. My job was not guaranteed but they offered me a retention contract to get me to stay through the transition period. It was no way near the amount in question but it was in line with my wage. Should I have expected to get paid? To get paid regardless of any other agreements that the company entered it to after? The only way out of the contract would have been bankruptcy.

If AIG went into bankruptcy they may have gotten out of the contract but, they did not.

Do you want your contracts honored or not?

Our professions are very similar...my understanding of these bonuses were not retention bonuses but the regular bonus and represented a 100% of the 2007 bonus when the company was flying high. Did the UAW have a contract with GM, Ford and Chrysler? Have these companies gone into bankruptcy? Those would be a No. So if the AIG contract had to be honored then the UAW contract would also have to be honored.

As for me I had an agreement we my company if I took a position they wanted me to take, I didn't, then I would get a manager's bonus at the end of the year for the term of my employment. Last year they came to me and said to bad so sad but you have to give that up. This year the big guys got their bonuses and us little guys got nothing. Why because they expect a bad year for 2009 so no raises, the second time in 5 years, even though our raises were tied to the 2008 performance which met the gates. What did the managers get? 100% of their bonuses....

I believe we have finally uncovered the true elitists.... as the saying goes the rich get richer and the poor get poorer....

Originally Posted by cologal

Our professions are very similar...my understanding of these bonuses were not retention bonuses but the regular bonus and represented a 100% of the 2007 bonus when the company was flying high. Did the UAW have a contract with GM, Ford and Chrysler? Have these companies gone into bankruptcy? Those would be a No. So if the AIG contract had to be honored then the UAW contract would also have to be honored.

As for me I had an agreement we my company if I took a position they wanted me to take, I didn't, then I would get a manager's bonus at the end of the year for the term of my employment. Last year they came to me and said to bad so sad but you have to give that up. This year the big guys got their bonuses and us little guys got nothing. Why because they expect a bad year for 2009 so no raises, the second time in 5 years, even though our raises were tied to the 2008 performance which met the gates. What did the managers get? 100% of their bonuses....

I believe we have finally uncovered the true elitists.... as the saying goes the rich get richer and the poor get poorer....

Will you be organizing bus tours of the "big guys" homes ?

Originally Posted by Army Guy

The mainstream media print/TV/etc all have so much vested in the new administration they CAN"T let it fail or get scarred.

Also Cologal......the payment of the AIG bonuses, was put into the Porkulous Bill that Congress only had 6 hours to reah 1000+ pages. It was inserted by Sen. Dodd (D-CN) at the request from.....because guess who was one of the biggest Donors for the past election??? Hmmmmmmm, do I actually have to tell you.........

Another tidbit you will not hear on the major mainstream outlets.

Army Guy

When I heard it on one of the MSM outlets, you know I wouldn't be on Fox Noise, my response was "Put a fork in him because he is done"

Dodd is in trouble for re-election and this won't help but then again they did re-elect Joe and I don't mean the Plummer.

AIG is a great straw dog for the right wing. While KBR/Halliburton continue to rip off the US taxpaers for mulitple millions of dollars, the right wing drug addict/alcoholic mouth pieces (Rush/Beck) focus their attacks elsewhere.

As the local villagers drive around in their Crown Vics and Buicks full of "Support the Troops" magnetic, made in China, ribbons, they refuse to recognize the fact soldiers are getting electroucted while merely taking showers in Iraq due to faulty construction sanctioned by KBR.

Then, when the troops return, they get colonoscopies with non sterile instruments from the VA, and are possibly expose to AIDs.

So get over the AIG issues and start focusing on some more important things such as really truly suporting our troops.

And for those of you so outraged by the bonuses paid by AIG, do you seriously think they ripped off the taxpayers more than KBR/Halliburton??

Originally Posted by bimmertl

AIG is a great straw dog for the right wing. While KBR/Halliburton continue to rip off the US taxpaers for mulitple millions of dollars, the right wing drug addict/alcoholic mouth pieces (Rush/Beck) focus their attacks elsewhere.

As the local villagers drive around in their Crown Vics and Buicks full of "Support the Troops" magnetic, made in China, ribbons, they refuse to recognize the fact soldiers are getting electroucted while merely taking showers in Iraq due to faulty construction sanctioned by KBR.

Then, when the troops return, they get colonoscopies with non sterile instruments from the VA, and are possibly expose to AIDs.

So get over the AIG issues and start focusing on some more important things such as really truly suporting our troops.

And for those of you so outraged by the bonuses paid by AIG, do you seriously think they ripped off the taxpayers more than KBR/Halliburton??

My thread was NOT specifically about the AIG payouts but about the extremist group having bus tours of the homes of exec of AIG.

It had nothing to do with the good or bad of the bonus's themselves, but a group who will be a big part of our census, who is under indictment and/or investigation at last count in over 20 states for voter fraud DELIBERATELY CREATING FRICTION that was not in anyway necessary !

READ...there are deliberate attempts to create a class warfare in this country and will not be pretty.

As to the bonus's them selves, they should not have been paid, but what was common knowledge in WASH for a long time became a political tool...once again create a crisis and then jump in and solve it. The Federal Government is about to take over your life.

This is not about party but the spending spree of the Bush administration seems tame as to what is going on, and guess what...these plans all discussed by Obama during the campaign are now being thrust through under the guise of solving the financial situation and we are buying into it hook line and sinker. Does it not bother you that this congress was so prepared to spend so much money TWICE without even having members read what was in it....this WAS NOT IN RESPONSE TO ANY FINANCIAL CRISIS !!!

But again, the thread was about the deliberate attempt to rub nerves raw in this country but seems like nobody cares !

Originally Posted by bimmertl

AIG is a great straw dog for the right wing. While KBR/Halliburton continue to rip off the US taxpaers for mulitple millions of dollars, the right wing drug addict/alcoholic mouth pieces (Rush/Beck) focus their attacks elsewhere.

As the local villagers drive around in their Crown Vics and Buicks full of "Support the Troops" magnetic, made in China, ribbons, they refuse to recognize the fact soldiers are getting electroucted while merely taking showers in Iraq due to faulty construction sanctioned by KBR.

Then, when the troops return, they get colonoscopies with non sterile instruments from the VA, and are possibly expose to AIDs.

So get over the AIG issues and start focusing on some more important things such as really truly suporting our troops.

And for those of you so outraged by the bonuses paid by AIG, do you seriously think they ripped off the taxpayers more than KBR/Halliburton??

Wow, you are not having any fun at all. You need to watch a different news program. Try Fox. They even laugh and joke and smile from time to time.

Yoda

More on this wonderful group that all seem to ignore....

"How Does A Neo-Socialist Administration Conduct A Census?"

"Writing for the Wall St. Journal, Steven Malanga said of ACORN:

"No one should be surprised, for this organization grew out of some of the most counterproductive ideas of 1960s radicalism. Acorn's roots are in the National Welfare Rights Organization, whose leader, George Wiley, believed he could use poor, unwed mothers to foment a revolution."

"The Community Reinvestment Act, passed in 1977, and expanded by President Bill Clinton, prompted banks to lend money in underserved communities and allowed community groups to file complaints that could hold up or even scuttle bank mergers. To avoid the possibility of a denied or delayed applications, lending institutions had an incentive to make formal agreements with community organizations like ACORN."

The Community Reinvestment Act, passed in 1977, and expanded by President Bill Clinton, prompted banks to lend money in underserved communities and allowed community groups to file complaints that could hold up or even scuttle bank mergers. To avoid the possibility of a denied or delayed applications, lending institutions had an incentive to make formal agreements with community organizations like ACORN.

http://www.postchronicle.com/comment...12217602.shtml

Why does the GOP hate ACORN?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-f..._b_132844.html

Like the Huffington post doesn't have an agenda?

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

Why does the GOP hate ACORN?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-f..._b_132844.html

I would hope that more than just Republicans have concerns about this extremely radical group..begun by a 60's radical...under investigation for voter fraud in over 20 states (NOT just 2008 election by the way which is all Huffington speaks about at the height of political season.....conductor of tours of AIG employees homes.....the subject of a series of expose articles by the New York Times (Stephanie Strom)....and now even Democrat John Conyers is even asking that they be called to testify before Congress.

Oh, this is the group that our government chose to help with the census !

Great group to defend...PLEASE READ their history, thier mission statment, their "projects" over the years, and if you still want to defend them and support what they stand for come here and post WHY !

Originally Posted by Bucco

I would hope that more than just Republicans have concerns about this extremely radical group..begun by a 60's radical...under investigation for voter fraud in over 20 states (NOT just 2008 election by the way which is all Huffington speaks about at the height of political season.....conductor of tours of AIG employees homes.....the subject of a series of expose articles by the New York Times (Stephanie Strom)....and now even Democrat John Conyers is even asking that they be called to testify before Congress.

Oh, this is the group that our government chose to help with the census !

Great group to defend...PLEASE READ their history, thier mission statment, their "projects" over the years, and if you still want to defend them and support what they stand for come here and post WHY !

Sorry, there has been NO (none, nada) cases of "voter fraud". Some ACORN workers (8 was the last number I saw) have been convicted of voter registration fraud, but at this point, 4 months after the election, there hasn't been any indication of anyone voting in the election that wasn't supposed to vote. Except maybe Ann Coulter.
In Washington State prosecutors stated that the defendants faked cards as an easy way to get paid, not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections, and that none of the phony registrations led to illegal voting.

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

Sorry, there has been NO (none, nada) cases of "voter fraud". Some ACORN workers (8 was the last number I saw) have been convicted of voter registration fraud, but at this point, 4 months after the election, there hasn't been any indication of anyone voting in the election that wasn't supposed to vote. Except maybe Ann Coulter.
In Washington State prosecutors stated that the defendants faked cards as an easy way to get paid, not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections, and that none of the phony registrations led to illegal voting.

Well, with all due respect KAYAKER...I said under investigation. I dont know how many have actually resulted in indictments at all.

And the problem was not with VOTING, but with registration by the way !!!

Hey, if you are ok with this group and happy they will be at the forefront of the "grassroots" movements, so be it. They surely are favorites of the administration, and I hope you actually read about their history, tactics, etc.

Again, if folks in this country are happy with this kind of group (PLEASE READ THEIR MISSIONS AND HISTORY)...then I suppose we get what we deserve !

Originally Posted by Bucco

Well, with all due respect KAYAKER...I said under investigation. I dont know how many have actually resulted in indictments at all.

And the problem was not with VOTING, but with registration by the way !!!

Hey, if you are ok with this group and happy they will be at the forefront of the "grassroots" movements, so be it. They surely are favorites of the administration, and I hope you actually read about their history, tactics, etc.

Again, if folks in this country are happy with this kind of group (PLEASE READ THEIR MISSIONS AND HISTORY)...then I suppose we get what we deserve !

Semantics.
I am merely pointing out that "voter fraud" and "voter registration fraud" are 2 very different animals.
If you want real voter fraud, I suggest you start with the Diebold (and other manufacturers) machines.

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

Semantics.
I am merely pointing out that "voter fraud" and "voter registration fraud" are 2 very different animals.
If you want real voter fraud, I suggest you start with the Diebold (and other manufacturers) machines.

Oh yeah...that is the conspiracy where Jeb Bush crawled inside the machines etc. !!

Much worse than conducting the ten year census, tours of execs home because they have money just to irrritate !

I got it !