Originally Posted by Bucco

Oh yeah...that is the conspiracy where Jeb Bush crawled inside the machines etc. !!
Much worse than conducting the ten year census, tours of execs home because they have money just to irrritate !
I got it !

Respectfully Bucco, I don't think you've got it.
Those machines are being scrapped, and have been in the process of being replaced long before the current administration took office. They are easily tampered with, and have no paper back-up. No conspiracy involved, they are just not suitable for elections.
There are tours of Hollywood star's homes, tours of celebrity cemeteries, so tours of AIG bonus-babies is not necessarily out-of-line. If they are "irritated"...to bad.

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

Respectfully Bucco, I don't think you've got it.
Those machines are being scrapped, and have been in the process of being replaced long before the current administration took office. They are easily tampered with, and have no paper back-up. No conspiracy involved, they are just not suitable for elections.
There are tours of Hollywood star's homes, tours of celebrity cemeteries, so tours of AIG bonus-babies is not necessarily out-of-line. If they are "irritated"...to bad.

I think I got it !!!

Your defense of and support of ACORN is noted but this kind of organization spawned by radicals, etc. with a history that is stunning in its legacy irritating and creating class warfare is legendary that I would ever give my backing or defense ! Everyone has their own opinion !

Hoping that Conyers does get them to a hearing...have you read the NY Times articles on this group or any of their history before defending them ?

But in any case, as I said before...we, as a country, will get what we deserve

A little honesty here from the dittoheads- ACORN is NOT being investigated- they hired independent contractors who scammed them. Kind of like blaming Halliburton for the shoddy work of it's subcontractors- oh, wait a minute,....never mind. Secondly, 11 of the 35 million dollar "retentives" left the company anyway- and still took the money.

AIG is basically bankrupt on U.S. life support- seems to me their contracts, as in any bankruptcy are null & void- at least they would be if this was about the American worker, rather than the Free Market chickens.

Originally Posted by ptownrob

A little honesty here from the dittoheads- ACORN is NOT being investigated- they hired independent contractors who scammed them. Kind of like blaming Halliburton for the shoddy work of it's subcontractors- oh, wait a minute,....never mind. Secondly, 11 of the 35 million dollar "retentives" left the company anyway- and still took the money.

AIG is basically bankrupt on U.S. life support- seems to me their contracts, as in any bankruptcy are null & void- at least they would be if this was about the American worker, rather than the Free Market chickens.

From 3/23...

"Members of Congress heard testimony against the activist group ACORN on Thursday, exposing the group's illegal activity and mafia-style tactics.

Pittsburgh lawyer Heather Heidelbaugh appeared before the a House Judiciary subcommittee alleging that the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has violated campaign finance and tax laws in addition to their protest-for-hire and coerced donations. The source of the accusations was from the sworn testimony of ACORN whistleblower Anita MonCrief, who was a clerk for ACORN's sister organization called Project Vote."

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org...pub_detail.asp

from 3/24

"Last Thursday, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers Jr., D-Mich, proposed holding hearings about the activist group Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), to give the group an opportunity to answer allegations it has engaged in illegal or improper activities.

Mr. Conyers, who has defended the organization in the past, asked for the hearings after listening to testimony about the organization during a House Judiciary Subcommittee on Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties hearing titled “Lessons Learned from the 2008 Election.”

http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/...3375047652.txt

from 3/19

"A lawyer for a whistleblower on the activist group ACORN is prepared to tell a House panel Thursday that the group provided liberal causes with protest-for-hire services and coerced donations from the targets of demonstrations through a mob-style "protection" racket.

ACORN called it the "muscle for the money" program, according to prepared testimony Pittsburgh lawyer Heather Heidelbaugh plans to deliver at a hearing of the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution, civil rights and civil liberties. "

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...of-mob-tactic/

This an article from the Tacoma WA newspaper when they marched in there, uininvited by the way, and how they were received....

They are local members of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now Inc., ACORN for short. According to a statement by their Tacoma Sentinels group, those problems “prevent us from feeling secure in our homes and compromise the integrity of our neighborhoods.”

They want them fixed.

"The ACORN presentation irked veteran activists.

Sure, if things are going awry in your neighborhood, it’s natural to want someone to fix them for you.

It would be lovely if that were the way it worked.

But most Tacomans know better. They know they have to help with the repairs."

Who, she asked, is ACORN to make demands without doing its share of the work?

They, too were miffed by ACORN’s attitude."

http://www.thenewstribune.com/merrym...ry/649853.html


Would suggest you read the 3 part (I believe) series that appeared in the NY Times recently on this group.


Hey, again you folks want groups that intentionally create havoc using the poor versus rich line always (and THAT was the intent of the bus tours) then enjoy the America that gives you.

In addition to the ACORN groups, we now have formed a group called ORGANIZING FOR AMERICA !!!

This group was formed to push the budget and when they recently rallied in the Birmingham ALA area they said things like...

""We're looking for supporters," said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. "We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army."

http://www.al.com/birminghamnews/sto...800.xml&coll=2

I suppose I may be alone on this one but these "grassroots" groups such as this one and ACORN scare me for real. It seems when you read what they SAY and find out from WHERE THEY GET THEIR SUPPORT and basis, that some sort of class warfare is being prepared.

I certainly have the innate ability to overreact, but cannot recall in my lifetime in this country so many of these groups taking to the streets and getting such high level backing and finances.

Originally Posted by ptownrob

A little honesty here from the dittoheads- ACORN is NOT being investigated- they hired independent contractors who scammed them. Kind of like blaming Halliburton for the shoddy work of it's subcontractors- oh, wait a minute,....never mind. Secondly, 11 of the 35 million dollar "retentives" left the company anyway- and still took the money.

AIG is basically bankrupt on U.S. life support- seems to me their contracts, as in any bankruptcy are null & void- at least they would be if this was about the American worker, rather than the Free Market chickens.

The last time I looked, whoever hires a subcontractor is responsible to the customer for the performance of the subcontractor.

Until a court (or the parties by mutual agreement) reform a contract, it remains valid.

Originally Posted by SteveZ

The last time I looked, whoever hires a subcontractor is responsible to the customer for the performance of the subcontractor.

Until a court (or the parties by mutual agreement) reform a contract, it remains valid.

Just adding my 2 cents. AIG is not bankrupt. If not bankrupt, the contracts are still valid.

Yoda

Now a new story....not really NEW, but now getting some legs about the New York Times killing a story right before the election about ACORN relationships that the New York Times killed because it was a "game changer"

"A lawyer involved with legal action against Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) told a House Judiciary subcommittee on March 19 The New York Times had killed a story in October that would have shown a close link between ACORN, Project Vote and the Obama campaign because it would have been a “a game changer.”

http://www.thebulletin.us/articles/2...e547489394.txt

Like I said this is not new but now beginning to see some light in the media, and as was said during the campaign there is much much more that is going to come out slowly, not just on ACORN.