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Old 08-29-2017, 12:59 AM
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During the final period of my employment with a governmental agency, I worked closely with our ill, injured, and disabled employees. The constraints of HIPAA laws prevent me from identifying patients or giving specific details, but having interacted with "transgender" employees during this period, I have some general observations.

1. Individuals who feel that they "identify" with a sex other than that shown by their DNA and sexual organs are said to be experiencing "gender dysphoria," a psychiatric term listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as a mental illness.

2. A male who chooses to have his sexual organ surgically removed, and perhaps have breast implants, along with hormone therapy to develop feminine characteristics, does not become a female.

3. A female who chooses to have her breasts surgically removed, a complete hysterectomy, a surgically implanted muscle mimicking the male sexual organ, and hormone therapy to attain male characteristics, does not become a male.

4. It is ridiculous that there are now laws that provide for having someone change their birth certificate to reflect a sex that they "identify" with rather than what their DNA indicates.

5. Although I am not a Catholic, I had occasion to do some reading in a Catholic Catechism and I came across this entry, which I agree with:

"2333 Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity. Physical, moral, and spiritual difference and complementarity are oriented toward the goods of marriage and the flourishing of family life. The harmony of the couple and of society depends in part on the way in which the complementarity, needs, and mutual support between the sexes are lived out."

6. All of the foregoing leads me to my belief that accepting "transgender" individuals into our military services should be avoided. This ban would not necessarily include people experiencing gender dysphoria, provided that it is understood that at no time during the period of active service, or after separation, will government funds be spent to provide transgender surgery of any kind.

7. My views are perhaps not politically correct, but they are heartfelt, genuine, and held without rancor towards people struggling with gender dysphoria.


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During the final period of my employment with a governmental agency, I worked closely with our ill, injured, and disabled employees. The constraints of HIPAA laws prevent me from identifying patients or giving specific details, but having interacted with "transgender" employees during this period, I have some general observations.

1. Individuals who feel that they "identify" with a sex other than that shown by their DNA and sexual organs are said to be experiencing "gender dysphoria," a psychiatric term listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as a mental illness.

2. A male who chooses to have his sexual organ surgically removed, and perhaps have breast implants, along with hormone therapy to develop feminine characteristics, does not become a female.

3. A female who chooses to have her breasts surgically removed, a complete hysterectomy, a surgically implanted muscle mimicking the male sexual organ, and hormone therapy to attain male characteristics, does not become a male.

4. It is ridiculous that there are now laws that provide for having someone change their birth certificate to reflect a sex that they "identify" with rather than what their DNA indicates.

5. Although I am not a Catholic, I had occasion to do some reading in a Catholic Catechism and I came across this entry, which I agree with:

"2333 Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity. Physical, moral, and spiritual difference and complementarity are oriented toward the goods of marriage and the flourishing of family life. The harmony of the couple and of society depends in part on the way in which the complementarity, needs, and mutual support between the sexes are lived out."

6. All of the foregoing leads me to my belief that accepting "transgender" individuals into our military services should be avoided. This ban would not necessarily include people experiencing gender dysphoria, provided that it is understood that at no time during the period of active service, or after separation, will government funds be spent to provide transgender surgery of any kind.

7. My views are perhaps not politically correct, but they are heartfelt, genuine, and held without rancor towards people struggling with gender dysphoria.


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Let me start by saying that there are two types of empathy cognitive and emotional. I lean toward the former recognizing people suffer . It is in the remedies if any that create the difference. People who identify with emotional empathy go way over board in their decision making the operative word being "emotional"

For example the left in their desire to protect people with mental illness have written laws so that even the family cannot help an individual in crises ( loss of logical thinking, etc) unless that individual grants permission. In their attempt to protect they also harm because by law they place families in a Catch 22.

Politics caused the publishers of the DSM to remove homosexuality as a disorder in the 1980's . A guy with a foot fetish has a disorder but not a guy....

Your explanation concerning transgender is as I understand it. I have read more than one account from different prominent psychiatrist that trans gender people that have surgery come to regret their decision. These same psychiatrist cringe at the news that parents of young children who are actually encouraging these kids in this fantasy.

The decision to allow trans gender goes against the grain. If a person says I identify as Napoleon is that a guy you want holding a gun to protect this nation? A thinking person says this guy needs counseling not military service. its harsh but its life Yet a guy is having emotional trauma about his sexual identity.

I served in the military and at that time homosexuals were discharged. We had three in our barracks and it made for bad chemistry. further I have seen guys crack in boot camp and on the job because they cannot handle the discipline that military life demands.

Obama's decision to use the military as his social lab experiment is dangerous . People like Obama ignore or are unaware of the importance of a cohesive and disciplined group........

the military is volunteers only and as such they are for all intent and purposes mercenaries. so you need to pay them fairly well or you will lose them. Hence budget is critical and so we come to the pivotal decision of where to place financial resources and transgender surgery doesn't seem to be a priority

The military is losing people for number of reasons and so Obama's social lab expedient just gives good men reason to choose another occupation. the military won't admit it but because of this fact they have lowered there standards to an unacceptable level.

The Don't Ask, Don't Tell Rule was the best compromise. However in my opinion we should return to conscription because it allows us to draw from a cross section and also it addresses another concern of mine and that far too many young people have no skin in the game .

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All of the social crap we're dealing with lately...minorities and discrimination. Women and discrimination. Gay rights. The rights of transgenders. Thay ALL have one common thread. Propping up losers. Making LAWS so that the losers can still "win" by moving them up...from say 15th place...to 3rd...so they can get a medal.

ALL these laws and regulations do...all quotas do...is prop up losers. Those who didn't/couldn't make the cut are "promoted" to the front of the line to "win" a trophy. That "trophy" being a slot as a student in a school, a job, a promotion, anything there was competition and the final recipient didn't make the cut...but got it/in anyway...because of some "accident of birth", "disability". The wrong race...the wrong sex...whatever.
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During the final period of my employment with a governmental agency, I worked closely with our ill, injured, and disabled employees. The constraints of HIPAA laws prevent me from identifying patients or giving specific details, but having interacted with "transgender" employees during this period, I have some general observations.

1. Individuals who feel that they "identify" with a sex other than that shown by their DNA and sexual organs are said to be experiencing "gender dysphoria," a psychiatric term listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as a mental illness.

2. A male who chooses to have his sexual organ surgically removed, and perhaps have breast implants, along with hormone therapy to develop feminine characteristics, does not become a female.

3. A female who chooses to have her breasts surgically removed, a complete hysterectomy, a surgically implanted muscle mimicking the male sexual organ, and hormone therapy to attain male characteristics, does not become a male.

4. It is ridiculous that there are now laws that provide for having someone change their birth certificate to reflect a sex that they "identify" with rather than what their DNA indicates.

5. Although I am not a Catholic, I had occasion to do some reading in a Catholic Catechism and I came across this entry, which I agree with:

"2333 Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity. Physical, moral, and spiritual difference and complementarity are oriented toward the goods of marriage and the flourishing of family life. The harmony of the couple and of society depends in part on the way in which the complementarity, needs, and mutual support between the sexes are lived out."

6. All of the foregoing leads me to my belief that accepting "transgender" individuals into our military services should be avoided. This ban would not necessarily include people experiencing gender dysphoria, provided that it is understood that at no time during the period of active service, or after separation, will government funds be spent to provide transgender surgery of any kind.

7. My views are perhaps not politically correct, but they are heartfelt, genuine, and held without rancor towards people struggling with gender dysphoria.


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Excellent post, Carl.
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The constraints of HIPAA laws prevent me from identifying patients or giving specific details, but having interacted with "transgender" employees during this period, I have some general observations.

While the HIPAA laws prevented you from identifying patients......it also weakened patients rights because it allowed government-funded researchers to collect and share medical and genetic information without consent.
[B]I make mention here to underscore that government interference creates major change. I let others decide if it is good or bad.

I spoke to the issue of conscription in my previous post and would bet that if it was reinstated we would find a lot of guys who would claim to be transgender to avoid the draft

Recall the balley-hoo over the fact that the green beret would no longer be the only military unit to wear a beret
Suddenly the "green beret" was diminished in its significance. I can envision a transgender demanding alteration to their uniforms to fit with their identity of self. Should a transgender be allowed to march in red high heels?

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I have met women a lot more masculine than I am in many regards. Might have something to do with the profession chosen by me. Librarianship. I have been told by people that I would have made a good nurse and I did do some of that kind of work and am still doing it for family members. Why I cannot really get a full time job at the moment unless I hire a nurse to help out here. A part time job might work but I am busy working on something.

One of my closest buddies in college was a then 77 year old nurse who had lived in Reno, Nevada all her life. This was in 1977 as she was born in 1900. I helped her with gardening, cleaning house, dog bathing, trips to the store, house sitting and dog sitting when needed, etc. She had been a nurse in Reno, Nevada for decades. I helped her until I moved to Denver in start of the Summer of 1983.

This seems like a very complicated issue. I did go through the gun crazy thug phase in my teens but quickly bored with those people especially after one aimed a BB gun at my eye but ended up putting one into my left pinky after I persuaded him to try shooting between my fingers rather than taking out my eye. One sick dude back then and I will bet he probably has not changed that much at age 58 or so. Still lives in Reno, Nevada.

You will not find many girls doing this kind of crap.

If some person feels more comfortable in a body with a changed sex I do not see why this is any of my business. Unless they are filming people in bath rooms or doing something that people without a sex change would also be doing. I suppose if a had a Crying Game experience I might have a little different of a re-action. Mavis turned out to be previously called Matthew.
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I have met women a lot more masculine than I am in many regards. Might have something to do with the profession chosen by me. Librarianship. I have been told by people that I would have made a good nurse and I did do some of that kind of work and am still doing it for family members. Why I cannot really get a full time job at the moment unless I hire a nurse to help out here. A part time job might work but I am busy working on something.

One of my closest buddies in college was a then 77 year old nurse who had lived in Reno, Nevada all her life. This was in 1977 as she was born in 1900. I helped her with gardening, cleaning house, dog bathing, trips to the store, house sitting and dog sitting when needed, etc. She had been a nurse in Reno, Nevada for decades. I helped her until I moved to Denver in start of the Summer of 1983.

This seems like a very complicated issue. I did go through the gun crazy thug phase in my teens but quickly bored with those people especially after one aimed a BB gun at my eye but ended up putting one into my left pinky after I persuaded him to try shooting between my fingers rather than taking out my eye. One sick dude back then and I will bet he probably has not changed that much at age 58 or so. Still lives in Reno, Nevada.

You will not find many girls doing this kind of crap.

If some person feels more comfortable in a body with a changed sex I do not see why this is any of my business. Unless they are filming people in bath rooms or doing something that people without a sex change would also be doing. I suppose if a had a Crying Game experience I might have a little different of a re-action. Mavis turned out to be previously called Matthew.
Excellent post buddy.



Just two points of interest.

... why do you call it a profession if you never actually worked? Volunteering for a few months to get student loans forgiven does not quality as a profession.

.... who needs the nurse? Not your mom that shoots a 73 on 18 holes???


Will you find any excuse not to work? Plenty of part time jobs. Plenty

Please no one quote me, it would hurt me so much if Tal were to read this if I was currently blocked. He should only read it when he unblocks me to make his notes.
 

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