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Old 03-08-2021, 04:39 PM
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I received this in my email today ->

((Date: 3/8/2021

After receiving a recommendation from the Project Wide Advisory Committee, the Sumter Landing Community Development District (SLCDD) supported the concept of establishing a Project Wide Agreement south of S.R. 44 which would encompass Districts 12 and 13. The SLCDD specifically directed legal counsel to prepare communication to all parties to the existing Project Wide Agreement, requiring unanimous support to:

Remove District 12 and 13 from the existing agreement with a start date of October 1, 2022

Amend Exhibit ‘A’ of the existing agreement to remove infrastructure specific to District 12 and 13

The new agreement shall be established concurrent to the existing agreement to remove Districts 12 and 13 and will be presented Village Community Development District Nos. 5-13. ))

Very interesting !
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Old 03-08-2021, 05:14 PM
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What I understand of this (which is limited), is that it'll essentially split the Villages up into Villages North and Villages South. I don't know how that will impact utilities or amenities, but I imagine it will most definitely impact them.
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Old 03-08-2021, 05:16 PM
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This would be a mistake. Our strength is the economy of scale that comes from being part of a large group. This sounds like another case of newcomers trying to fix the most amazing place ever..
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Old 03-08-2021, 06:44 PM
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What I understand of this (which is limited), is that it'll essentially split the Villages up into Villages North and Villages South. I don't know how that will impact utilities or amenities, but I imagine it will most definitely impact them.
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This would be a mistake. Our strength is the economy of scale that comes from being part of a large group. This sounds like another case of newcomers trying to fix the most amazing place ever..
There won't be any impact on the utilities or the amenities. Utilities have nothing to do with the CDD or the PWAC and the amenities south of SR44 are still owned by the developer.

The economy of scale is unaffected, the contracts and POs are let by the District Purchasing Department not the individual CDDs. The costs per property/CDD/other unit are included in the breakout of the bids that are returned. Purchasing then lets one contract to the supplier/contractor and then bills the appropriate amounts to the correct party.

This has been in the works for almost 2 years that I know of because of the growth that is and will continue to happen.

There are a lot of things driving this, mainly the major differences in landscaping, nature areas, and other infrastructure that are significantly different between north and south of SR44. The other is the size of PWAC, currently 9 members, this will drop it to 8 and stop the addition of new CDDs to PWAC with 12 and above being in PWAC2.

Please attend you CDD meetings over the next 2 weeks, district staff in presenting the information that was given to PWAC and SLCDD to each of them.

This is not something your Supervisors/PWAC is jumping into without a lot of thought and planning. District staff recommended making the transition 10/1/2021 but PWAC disagreed and made the decision to wait until 10/1/2022. There's no hurry to do this and it keeps the shared risks shared between more CDDs and limits the developer's power over the PWAC2, residents can be elected to the CDD13 board in the 2022 Landowner election for 3 of these seats and then have a say for CDD13 on PWAC2.
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Will our village ID still work in both North and South Villages? We helped pay through our property tax increase the south development and now will we still be able to enjoy the southern amenities?
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Old 03-08-2021, 09:04 PM
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Old vs New..., seems that one group gets the new stuff and the other group gets the antiquated stuff ! Saw this happen with the Aerospace Workers Union! The Grand Lodge was behind the split, and they now regret it everyday! A complete disaster in the making! Who is behind this?
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Will our village ID still work in both North and South Villages? We helped pay through our property tax increase the south development and now will we still be able to enjoy the southern amenities?
This is no different than those of us in the current PWAC having access to the AAC north of 466.
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Old vs New..., seems that one group gets the new stuff and the other group gets the antiquated stuff ! Saw this happen with the Aerospace Workers Union! The Grand Lodge was behind the split, and they now regret it everyday! A complete disaster in the making! Who is behind this?
If you learn the structure and how our government works you wouldn't need to make this statement, you would know.
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I received this in my email today ->

((Date: 3/8/2021

After receiving a recommendation from the Project Wide Advisory Committee, the Sumter Landing Community Development District (SLCDD) supported the concept of establishing a Project Wide Agreement south of S.R. 44 which would encompass Districts 12 and 13. The SLCDD specifically directed legal counsel to prepare communication to all parties to the existing Project Wide Agreement, requiring unanimous support to:

Remove District 12 and 13 from the existing agreement with a start date of October 1, 2022

Amend Exhibit ‘A’ of the existing agreement to remove infrastructure specific to District 12 and 13

The new agreement shall be established concurrent to the existing agreement to remove Districts 12 and 13 and will be presented Village Community Development District Nos. 5-13. ))

Very interesting !
After we in the northern section get our taxes raised to pay for NEW roads in the southern section, the southern section doesn’t want to help pay for the road repairs to the OLD roads in the northern section. I think if there are two PWAC then there should be a toll on the bridges for any southern resident who wants to use facilities in the northern section. And let’s go further and completely separate into two different communities with those da#m bridges the sole responsibility of the south. This is another scheme by the developer to favor the new section at the expense of the old.
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Will our village ID still work in both North and South Villages? We helped pay through our property tax increase the south development and now will we still be able to enjoy the southern amenities?
The development of PWAC2 has no impact on the amenities for anyone. While the AAC has a say on the amenities north of CR466 (owned by VCCDD) and PWAC has the same responsibilities for the amenities south of CR466 to SR44 (owned by SLCDD) there exists interlocal government agreements that prohibit preferential treatment of residents from any area over any other resident on amenity use, priority, and availability. The amenities south of SR44 are owned by the developer and also fall under these same agreements.

I separated the statement about south of SR44 because there is the perception of preferential treatment for residents south SR44 when it comes to golf carts when they come north of SR44 to play, the developer made a business decision to provide these to their customers south of SR44 until the connectivity is established. The developer is paying for this not the amenity or golf division or any other Amenity Fee/resident funded source. This will obviously be going away very soon when the Water Lily bridge opens.

Your property taxes had NOTHING to do with the Amenities, developing them, or providing them. You did NOT help pay for them. All the amenities south of SR44 are privately developed, built, and owned facilities, owned by the developer. These are another business for them, and they exist to make a profit. We all remember what a profit was, it is what businesses is in business to make, otherwise they go out of business. It is what enabled each of us to amass our retirement nest egg so we could retire and move here.

Bottom line, none of this will have any impact on anyone's ability to use any of the amenities, we are all the same.
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Old 03-09-2021, 05:38 AM
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Old vs New..., seems that one group gets the new stuff and the other group gets the antiquated stuff ! Saw this happen with the Aerospace Workers Union! The Grand Lodge was behind the split, and they now regret it everyday! A complete disaster in the making! Who is behind this?
You bought a house not a rich uncle who will take care of your every want. The developer builds houses and amenities to support these houses and communities and then moves on to develop the next area. There is nothing in your sales contract that says the developer must continue to provide you with anything new just because they do it in another area of the development. The developer has not responsibility or obligation to continue to provide you with anything. The developer doesn't own the amenities north of SR44, these are owned by our local governments (SLCDD and VCCDD) and if you want anything new you have to go to them and ask for it, but be careful what you ask for, you will have to pay for it.
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Which CDD are the bridges over 44 in? And what type of maintenance will they need?
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Old 03-09-2021, 06:54 AM
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Which CDD are the bridges over 44 in? And what type of maintenance will they need?
The new bridges are in CDD13. Because of the material that they are made of they won't require paining and preservation. The support structure will require minimal maintenance from time to time. There will be annual inspections of the bridges to verify their integrity and safety. Perhaps the biggest expense will be maintaining the electrical systems that light the giant advertising billboards on each side and repainting the advertising signs, just like on the water towers. (shoot, I went down that rabbit hole again...)
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Didn't we go through with this in 1860? History repeating it self. Let's invent the wheel again.
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