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In the history of the United States since the Civil War the wealthy have always smashed the poor. Rick Perry's tort reform will do nothing other than to limit your options when someone powerful does something harmful or unlawful to the middle class or lower.

Rick Perry regards Social Security as a Ponzi scheme. He should be regarded as Social Security hostile. That should be enough for you to vote against him in a primary or federal election.

Originally Posted by tonyafd

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In the history of the United States since the Civil War the wealthy have always smashed the poor. Rick Perry's tort reform will do nothing other than to limit your options when someone powerful does something harmful or unlawful to the middle class or lower.

Rick Perry regards Social Security as a Ponzi scheme. He should be regarded as Social Security hostile. That should be enough for you to vote against him in a primary or federal election.

Rick Perry's referring to Social Security as a "ponzi scheme" is the best definition of Social Security funding I've ever heard. How is he wrong?

Originally Posted by tonyafd

In the history of the United States since the Civil War the wealthy have always smashed the poor.

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Katz, all that does is lower their federal, state and local taxes. Do you really think they would give it away if not for the tax breaks? Really now.

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Katz, all that does is lower their federal, state and local taxes. Do you really think they would give it away if not for the tax breaks? Really now.

I cannot tell what their motives are as I cannot read what is in their hearts and minds. Who cares? I also get to deduct my charitable contributions. I guess it is only fair that they get to also.

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Katz, all that does is lower their federal, state and local taxes. Do you really think they would give it away if not for the tax breaks? Really now.

People who make charitable contributions reduce the amount if income that is subject to tax - these contributions do not reduce the amount of taxes owed dollar for dollar.

If you are in a 25% income bracket and choose to give $1,000 to the charity of your choice, you reduce your taxable income by $1,000. However, you reduce your tax obligation by only $250. You are out a net $750. In effect, you give away $750 and obligate the rest of us for the $250 deficit. If you choose to give to the charity of your choice, that should be your business and your business alone. The government should not kick in.

Social Security is, by defination, a Ponzi scheme. If a business were to have such a defined benefit plan, the officers would be put in jail.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Rick Perry's referring to Social Security as a "ponzi scheme" is the best definition of Social Security funding I've ever heard. How is he wrong?

All those who are opposed to Social Security are invited to send it back. The reason that Fox News et cetera are against it is because corporations have to kick money into it.

Originally Posted by tonyafd

All those who are opposed to Social Security are invited to send it back. The reason that Fox News et cetera are against it is because corporations have to kick money into it.

Hmm Words have meanings. I did not hear anybody opposed to Social Security. I did hear how the government robbed it and now it is in danger of bankruptcy.
If the money put into it by 78 million Baby Boomers was invested and kept from being robbed by Presidents like LBJ , who looted it to create welfare (War on Poverty) and fight in Vietnam, all of us would be living comfortably instead of worrying about our future when we stop working. If you invest 17% of your paycheck for 50 years, you should be financially secure.

villagegolfer nailed it!!
Just like the many corporations that bled off earnings from their pension plans when they were booming and over producing funds...they dredged some of it for income...then the bubble burst.

Exactly the reason why SS is in trouble....the greedy politicians used what was earned on our contributions for other than what it was intended.

If you do not understand this then you are not aware of the "borrowing" of the earnings off our money....private corporation and or the federal government. It is no accident they are comprised mostly of the legally trained...they do fully understand just how far they can go....and as usual we the people have allowed it.

SS has been abused by whoever has been in office when it was raided...R or D or what ever!!

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

villagegolfer nailed it!!
Just like the many corporations that bled off earnings from their pension plans when they were booming and over producing funds...they dredged some of it for income...then the bubble burst.

Exactly the reason why SS is in trouble....the greedy politicians used what was earned on our contributions for other than what it was intended.

If you do not understand this then you are not aware of the "borrowing" of the earnings off our money....private corporation and or the federal government. It is no accident they are comprised mostly of the legally trained...they do fully understand just how far they can go....and as usual we the people have allowed it.

SS has been abused by whoever has been in office when it was raided...R or D or what ever!!

btk

Pretty sure that is not acceptable accounting practice to use money from account #7xxxx for #7zzzz.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Rick Perry's referring to Social Security as a "ponzi scheme" is the best definition of Social Security funding I've ever heard. How is he wrong?

Originally Posted by tonyafd

All those who are opposed to Social Security are invited to send it back. The reason that Fox News et cetera are against it is because corporations have to kick money into it.

You didn't answer the question, in case you're unaware of that. How is Social Security funding not like a Ponzi Scheme?; that's the question.

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You got to give up the Fox News crutch. It doesn't do much for your argument ever. Just makes it seem like you really have nothing to say.

Personally, I rarely watch any TV. I'm a voracious reader of the news in print and online. I don't much rely on talking heads for my news. I catch them one in a while, but it's not my main source of information by any stretch of the imagination.

Lion~Love ya man, but do you really expect an answer!
This is the point where they all scatter and start another thread or act like they have lost interest. Or better yet, give you the "we don't agree and nothing you can say will change my mind: Hello?!?!
Ok, just do me a favor and don't hold your breath waiting...

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Lion~Love ya man, but do you really expect an answer!
This is the point where they all scatter and start another thread or act like they have lost interest. Or better yet, give you the "we don't agree and nothing you can say will change my mind: Hello?!?!
Ok, just do me a favor and don't hold your breath waiting...

I know what you're saying. I always hope for a cogent answer though and try to draw it out, even if it's flawed. Lately, all the most rabid do though is insult and attack. Eventually, they disappear from this forum. Can't imagine why

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I know what you're saying. I always hope for a cogent answer though and try to draw it out, even if it's flawed. Lately, all the most rabid do though is insult and attack. Eventually, they disappear from this forum. Can't imagine why

Yea, they are scattering and scurrying but they will regroup and come back here and tell us how great Obama the Messiah is and how he will save us again. Probably still blame Bush for his deficiencies. If he gets elected again, I will have absolutely no hope for the future of this once great country. I am so glad to be at this age where I will not have to suffer the indignity of which I see this country heading.